User talk:XZise/Archives/2013/05

Chat Room Idea

Hi^^ XZise

I was thinking of making a chat room for this wiki but i need lots of help, still not so sure if it going to work but worth a shot

Before you say anything like:

• This wiki does not need a chat room.

• It will not work

The chat room idea is a great way to get people to talk to each other instead of using other users talk link for non-important inquiries about KSP or just well, life get to know people and discuss bugs, fix, updates, mods, muddles, ideas and tips etc. - Nova Storm (Talk)

So, er, what would it add that the IRC channel does not? UmbralRaptor (talk) 22:53, 1 May 2013 (CDT)

Technically it would be asynchronous. If you have a question but the person who can answer it isn't online at the moment it is still possible to answer later while the person who ask the question can be already offline. But apart from that, I don't see an advantage. — xZise [talk] 03:29, 2 May 2013 (CDT)

Reply to message.

Hello, and thank you for your message! I think I've got most of it figured out at the moment, but I'll let you know if I need anything. :)

Nice :) and maybe sign (--~~~~) your post, so I know who talks to me ;) — xZise [talk] 16:16, 1 May 2013 (CDT)

Mun Tutorial

Thanks for your helpful amendments to my edit of the Mun Landing tutorial. Great stuff! - Kerloyov (talk) 11:45, 13 May 2013 (GMT)

Dito ;) PS: How are you able to show the GMT/UTC time and not CDT? — xZise [talk] 06:40, 13 May 2013 (CDT)

Thanks very much for the Infobox/Body…

And for the Zh-cn or Zh-Hans stuff, RHZhao firstly started the Chinese Wiki as Zh-cn. I have held a discussion about whether to move it to Zh-Hans, and the result is most of the users prefer to keep it. So it's like this now.

And… A question, is there a grammar to modify the language name displayed on Languange Box? The default name isn't like those in Wikipedia…

All in all, thanks very much:)

Okay, so zh-cn and zh-hans are the same? This may be relevant for templates like {{lang}}. About your “Language Box”. Do you mean {{Main Page Layout/Language Box}}? This uses {{Mp-lang}} to link to another language and uses the language code provided by {{#language}}. So there is not much to do, but when I'm on the English Main Page the Chinese link to their Main Page is written as 中文. Now the language box shows 中文（中国大陆）‎which looks for me (I don't have a clue about Chinese) identical, except for the part in the brackets. But this is simply because of the -cn

• {{#language:zh}} → 中文
• {{#language:zh-cn}} → 中文（中国大陆）‎

So I don't know what you want to do there. And btw, would be nice if you ~~~~ sign your posts so I know who I'm talking to ;) — xZise [talk] 13:06, 14 May 2013 (CDT)

In fact not the same… The codes like Zh-cn, Zh-tw, Zh-hk etc. are Chinese languages classified by location; the Zh-Hans and Zh-Hant show the major difference branches: Simplified and Tranditional. The Simplified Chinese(Zh-Hans) is mostly being used in China Mainland, so Zh-Hans and Zh-cn can be partly regarded as the same, but not the whole. As the KSP Wiki in Zh-Hans has been set up as Zh-cn, it will be inconvenient to move.

While… I have an idea… If in future many branches of Chinese join in(as there're already players in Taiwan, Hongkong…), this way maybe good… Just tell me:

How to set a page as a redirect page? (Visitors get redirected to another page instantly, while this page still has the properties of ordinary pages) (Sorry that I haven't had much experience in Wiki)

Do ordinary users have the access to create a fully functional template? Thanks:) --Cesrate (talk) 07:22, 15 May 2013 (CDT)

Uhh... After some explorations, you know... I did it. Although I don't know whether will these come in use (depending on the "Wiki motiviation" of players in these places)...

Here is what I did...

Main_Page/zh-cn

Template:Main_Page_Layout_for_zh

Template:Main_Page_Layout_for_zh/Language_Box_for_zh

Now the only thing is {{if lang}} doesn't support the zh-tw, zh-hk, zh-mo... , but it's not a big problem. The support could be added later when someone starts to translate the Wiki to zh-tw etc.

And... With the current business being done, I'll start working on translations (and maybe add some new things) in June... Don't know whether the others will do...

And, have a nice day:) --Cesrate (talk) 09:08, 15 May 2013 (CDT)

Wow be only 6 hrs away and thousand of new pages are now there ;) Okay maybe not thousands. I have some questions:

• {{Main Page Layout/Language Box for zh}} can be deleted?
• {{Main Page Layout for zh}}: What exactly makes this different from {{Main Page Layout}}? It looks like the only difference is, that your template uses {{Main Page Layout for zh/Language Box for zh}}? Now why don't use {{Main Page Layout/Language Box}} with all Chinese languages?

Now there already exists Mk1 Cockpit/zh-cn. In what Chinese language is this now written? And how does the Chinese Wikipedia handle this? It looks like there is only a zh Wikipedia. Maybe (to make it not so crowded here) it is applicable to this wiki? — xZise [talk] 10:54, 15 May 2013 (CDT)

Just to make other languages' language box not crowd:) I think as the Language Box shows the major languages, it would be better for the branches to be shown in a sub-box. Although I should keep it sync to the Main_Page_Lay_Out... It's not difficult as well. Is there a better way to achieve this? As I don't know much about codes in Wiki, this method is what I could come up with…

As for the Mk1 Cockpit/zh-cn, it's a translation test by a member here. It's of little use now and after I move it to zh-cn you're free to delete it.

As I have started it, I will maintain it, until it's proved really of no use… And it will be good if we can modify the language name shown in Language Box, is that possible?

And I hope the sub-language box could come into use… Depending on if there's an encyclopediaholic in that places:) --Cesrate (talk) 18:58, 15 May 2013 (CDT)

The Mk1Cockpit/zh-cn is really of no use… It's just a test + stub… Free to delete… --Cesrate (talk) 19:03, 15 May 2013 (CDT)

Okay I moved (and not deleted) Mk1 Cockpit/zh-cn. User:N3X15 already deleted your “failed template” and I added zh-cn to the language box on the left. Did I use the correct text? And I'm looking to the two main page templates. Maybe there could be something simplified. — xZise [talk] 17:15, 17 May 2013 (CDT)

{{lang}} support for zh-cn?

Sorry to disturb, but {{lang}} seems not work with zh-cn. The example's here. {{Radial Size}}. If there's no mistake, the {{lang}} doesn't support zh-cn. Thanks very much for the supports Cesrate (talk) 07:30, 17 May 2013 (CDT)

Oh, thanks. The layout isn't a problem as I'm in charge of its maintenance unless it affects the wiki's efficiency or becomes useless(wiki builder RHZhao sometimes talks in Tranditional Chinese, so I believe zh-tw... page will come into being in future).

All in all, thanks very much for the support:) Very kind of you. —Cesrate (talk) 18:42, 17 May 2013 (CDT)

What is "Rotational/Inertial transition" in Reference Frame table?

Hi, the wiki's going well now, but we have a problem that couldn't be made clear by ourselves.As the title shows, what is "Rotational/Inertial transition"? We're not sure how to deal with it except guesses, so could you offer some detailed information about this?Thanks a lot. ——Cesrate (talk) 06:49, 21 May 2013 (CDT)

I have no idea. It is one of the mysteries which I couldn't solve yet. I created a new topic in the template talk. — xZise [talk] 10:17, 21 May 2013 (CDT)

Maybe I should ask Forum… ——Cesrate (talk) 15:24, 21 May 2013 (CDT)

Oh, I think I got the answer, it's really the change from rotational reference frame to interial reference frame. The rotational frame follows the planets' rotation, making it easier to describe the ship's motion when it's close to planet. ——Cesrate (talk) 15:32, 21 May 2013 (CDT)

So is it the height when the speed indicator changes from Surface to Orbital speed? That's strange, after all it seems to be 100,000 m for just about everything except Dres. I'll try checking that tomorrow. --Dgelessus (talk) 15:51, 21 May 2013 (CDT)

I don't think so that is when it changes between Surface/Orbital speed. In Scott Manley's video it changes way before the Ap is above 100 km. But to be honest I don't understand Cesrate's explanation. Is it simply an internal programming thing, that it is either relative to Kerbin (rotational frame) or relative to Kerbol (inertial frame)? — xZise [talk] 17:15, 21 May 2013 (CDT)

It's for when the engine switches your craft between reference frames (for calculating the motion), rather than the surface/orbital figures on the navball. There was a time when it varied a great deal between Kerbin (70 km), Mun (5 km), etc. UmbralRaptor (talk) 11:59, 26 May 2013 (CDT)

Thanks for cleaning up the new parts!

I put in the new parts from version 0.20, but I was kind of sloppy. Then I noticed someone was cleaning up after me! Thanks very much. Keep up the good work! Dudecon (talk) 15:57, 23 May 2013 (CDT)

About Carrier

may as well delete it now, 'till i get more info. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Geoform (talk • contribs)

Hello Geoform. Maybe you have seen the discussion on your talk page? And you can test your pages in your userspace (e.g. User:Geoform/Carrier) and when you have a decent page, ask an admin (aka Sysop) to move article. — xZise [talk] 09:16, 25 May 2013 (CDT)

Okay I moved the article, so you can start enhancing it. — xZise [talk] 09:18, 25 May 2013 (CDT)

Answer

Yep. I'm going to fix it. Gusta (talk) 07:58, 28 May 2013 (CDT)

Thank you very much :) — xZise [talk] 10:21, 28 May 2013 (CDT)

Template Editing

Sorry for errors! I was just adding the missing characters but you acted quicker then me. Sorry for messing it up and thanks for fixing it. Good day! --Miracmert (talk) 19:46, 29 May 2013 (CDT)

Not a problem ;) I'm also not perfect and uploaded many buggy versions of any template I edited. — xZise [talk] 03:22, 30 May 2013 (CDT)

Questions set

Good day, here are some questions coming out during these days.

• The languages sidebar, shows zh-cn as "中国大陆", technically it's not a name of language. Could you change it to "中文（中国大陆）" like this Wiki default?

• In Terminology, there's "Mathematic & Geometric", but isn't geometric a part of mathematics?

• Could I mark every page I meet that is somewhat unfinished or needs update with {{Stub}} or {{Outdated}}?

• Are users allowed to make their own user pages be used for some... "Off-topic" stuffs? If the data usage isn't big?

Thanks. ——Cesrate (talk) 04:36, 30 May 2013 (CDT)

Hi Cesrate, I can already answer some questions.
Unfinished or outdated pages can of course be marked with {{Stub}} or {{Outdated}} respectively, that's the puropse of those templates. The marked pages are then automatically added to Category:Stubs or Category:Update requests respectively, so people can check these categories and see where they can help.
Regarding the user pages, you can do with these what you want, as long as it's not completely unrelated to KSP. As far as I can tell their main purposes are either personal projects or testing.
One thing about geometry and mathematics, I think they are both named just to make things clearer. You are right though, geometry is part of mathematics.
--dgelessus ^{(talk, contribs)} 05:39, 30 May 2013 (CDT)

Good. The purpose of Q3 and Q4 is that... I don't know what others would think if I constantly create too much changes and personal stuffs in Special:RecentChanges;) ——Cesrate (talk) 05:49, 30 May 2013 (CDT)

Q1 → will be changed soon.

Q2 → yep it isn't the best choice, but you are free to update it. If somebody has a problem with your suggestion discuss it on Talk:Terminology.

Q3 → As dglesseus said: That is the purpose. You don't have to ask an admin for clearance to use them.

Q4 → Depends on the topic: I'm not making the rules, but as long as it has something to do with KSP it should be fine. Those subpages are mostly used to test the syntax. I'm guessing you are talking about this. Now if it is going to be a novel I'm not sure if this is welcomed here.

Oh and by the way: It is easier to see to who you are answering, when you indent your answer with colons. — xZise [talk] 11:55, 30 May 2013 (CDT)

Oh, it's just a test subject of branched story on wiki, inspired by wiki games. Once completed I may post the link to KSP Forum Fan-work zone. ——Cesrate (talk) 18:31, 30 May 2013 (CDT)

Translating Templates

Hi again! I'm trying to translate some templates on my free times and started that with Template:Stub. I hope nothing's wrong with that for you. Also I have a question that when I edit a template I can't see the new added language on the language bar at left however it works perfectly when I use the template on that pages of that language. (Btw, you should delete some of the previous questions for your eyes health lol.) --Miracmert (talk) 13:27, 30 May 2013 (CDT)

When you use {{lang}}, like you did with {{Stub}}, then the other language don't appear on the sidebar. Only if there is a page like Kerbol/tr all pages beginning with Kerbol (like Kerbol/de etc.) should the Turkish translation available. Now for templates there are rarely translated templates. And in most cases only the code is different but the template description isn't. If you want to test the translation, you can create a subpage in your userspace (like User:XZise/test/de). About translating {{Stub}} it should be okay ;) — xZise [talk] 14:49, 30 May 2013 (CDT)

Oh, Hello and BTW you(?) made a little mistake on PlanetBox - Atmospheric Characteristics, causing the zh-cn title followed by code "tr" and tr title failed. I've fixed this. ——Cesrate (talk)