https://wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?title=Talk:Engine&feed=atom&action=historyTalk:Engine - Revision history2024-03-29T09:16:36ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.29.0https://wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?title=Talk:Engine&diff=58241&oldid=prevXZise: /* Engines, Motors, and Reactions */2015-03-03T13:50:32Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Engines, Motors, and Reactions</span></span></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Currently, the [[Engine]] article lists [[Parts#Rover_wheels|rover wheels]] as a type of [[w:Engine|engine]]. It's technically correct, but awkward; KSP doesn't list them in the [[Parts#Engines|"Engines" parts]] tab. They're non-reaction engine "engines", but by the same logic the torque in [[Parts#SAS|SAS modules]] and [[Parts#Pods|command pods]] is an engine; you can flip-walk things across terrain!  </div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Currently, the [[Engine]] article lists [[Parts#Rover_wheels|rover wheels]] as a type of [[w:Engine|engine]]. It's technically correct, but awkward; KSP doesn't list them in the [[Parts#Engines|"Engines" parts]] tab. They're non-reaction engine "engines", but by the same logic the torque in [[Parts#SAS|SAS modules]] and [[Parts#Pods|command pods]] is an engine; you can flip-walk things across terrain!  </div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I don't know what the best approach to this one is. There's a clear in-game meaning to "Engine" as ''things under the "Engine" parts tab<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">"</del>. But I've seen a phantom force driven water speeder by Danny4682, infini-gliders, and a flying contraption made of symmetrically placed landing legs pushing against a slightly-too-close metal panel.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I don't know what the best approach to this one is. There's a clear in-game meaning to "Engine" as ''things under the "Engine" parts tab<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">''</ins>. But I've seen a phantom force driven water speeder by Danny4682, infini-gliders, and a flying contraption made of symmetrically placed landing legs pushing against a slightly-too-close metal panel.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Do we want the Parts focused meaning or the "engine/motor" meaning Wikipedia uses in a broader context? --[[User:Brendan|Brendan]] ([[User talk:Brendan|talk]]) 21:04, 2 March 2015 (CST)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Do we want the Parts focused meaning or the "engine/motor" meaning Wikipedia uses in a broader context? --[[User:Brendan|Brendan]] ([[User talk:Brendan|talk]]) 21:04, 2 March 2015 (CST)</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:<small>Not a real answer, but before I forget it. I just saw through the logs and noticed that you changed <nowiki>[[rover wheel]]s</nowiki> into <nowiki>[[Parts#…|rover wheels]]</nowiki>. I think it's more sensible to have the first link, even if it just redirects. This minimizes broken links to sections (when the header gets changed) as only the redirect needs to be fixed. Also all links about rover wheels are working as soon as someone writes an actual article about them. I know that Wikipedia handles it differently but it would also require in the link text that it links to a section. — [[User:XZise|xZise]] <small>&#91;[[User talk:XZise|talk]]&#93;</small> 05:44, 3 March 2015 (CST)</small>.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:<small>Not a real answer, but before I forget it. I just saw through the logs and noticed that you changed <nowiki>[[rover wheel]]s</nowiki> into <nowiki>[[Parts#…|rover wheels]]</nowiki>. I think it's more sensible to have the first link, even if it just redirects. This minimizes broken links to sections (when the header gets changed) as only the redirect needs to be fixed. Also all links about rover wheels are working as soon as someone writes an actual article about them. I know that Wikipedia handles it differently but it would also require in the link text that it links to a section. — [[User:XZise|xZise]] <small>&#91;[[User talk:XZise|talk]]&#93;</small> 05:44, 3 March 2015 (CST)</small>.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:Because my main problem would be what we are doing with it afterwards? Just linking it to reaction wheels? But what about rover wheels? (etc) — [[User:XZise|xZise]] <small>&#91;[[User talk:XZise|talk]]&#93;</small> 07:50, 3 March 2015 (CST)</ins></div></td></tr>
</table>XZisehttps://wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?title=Talk:Engine&diff=58219&oldid=prevXZise: /* Engines, Motors, and Reactions */2015-03-03T11:44:54Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Engines, Motors, and Reactions</span></span></p>
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</table>XZisehttps://wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?title=Talk:Engine&diff=58175&oldid=prevBrendan: /* Engines, Motors, and Reactions */ new section2015-03-03T03:04:46Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Engines, Motors, and Reactions: </span> new section</span></p>
<p><b>New page</b></p><div>== Engines, Motors, and Reactions ==<br />
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I described on the [[reaction engine]]'s talk page how [[Talk:Reaction_engine#Wikipedia_says_reaction_includes_jet_engines...|we need to rework our terminology]] because Wikipedia defines jet engines as a kind of reaction engine. KSP doesn't even ''use'' the term “reaction engine” anywhere, but it's a catch for rocket engines, SRBs, jet engines, RCS, and really anything that burns chemical fuel.<br />
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That led to questions about '''this''' article.<br />
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Currently, the [[Engine]] article lists [[Parts#Rover_wheels|rover wheels]] as a type of [[w:Engine|engine]]. It's technically correct, but awkward; KSP doesn't list them in the [[Parts#Engines|"Engines" parts]] tab. They're non-reaction engine "engines", but by the same logic the torque in [[Parts#SAS|SAS modules]] and [[Parts#Pods|command pods]] is an engine; you can flip-walk things across terrain! <br />
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I don't know what the best approach to this one is. There's a clear in-game meaning to "Engine" as ''things under the "Engine" parts tab". But I've seen a phantom force driven water speeder by Danny4682, infini-gliders, and a flying contraption made of symmetrically placed landing legs pushing against a slightly-too-close metal panel.<br />
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Do we want the Parts focused meaning or the "engine/motor" meaning Wikipedia uses in a broader context? --[[User:Brendan|Brendan]] ([[User talk:Brendan|talk]]) 21:04, 2 March 2015 (CST)</div>Brendan