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:Where you suggest that I put 'SUBPAGENAME' is that a variable that indicated what language to use, or is it something that stays constant? I do want to help support multi-language, but at the same time, I am sure you can appreciate that English is the dominate language that will get priority. [[User:Thecoshman|Thecoshman]] ([[User talk:Thecoshman|talk]]) 15:38, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
 
:Where you suggest that I put 'SUBPAGENAME' is that a variable that indicated what language to use, or is it something that stays constant? I do want to help support multi-language, but at the same time, I am sure you can appreciate that English is the dominate language that will get priority. [[User:Thecoshman|Thecoshman]] ([[User talk:Thecoshman|talk]]) 15:38, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
 
::I've fixed one[http://kspwiki.nexisonline.net/w/index.php?title=Parts%2FCommand_%26_Control&diff=4851&oldid=4614]. I learned about ''switch'' structure in this [[Template:Languages/Title]]. You can try to make support page in English, it would be great. I think some documentation [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:Documentation] template should be done to include in every multi language page for preventing breaking that templates by other users.
 
::I've fixed one[http://kspwiki.nexisonline.net/w/index.php?title=Parts%2FCommand_%26_Control&diff=4851&oldid=4614]. I learned about ''switch'' structure in this [[Template:Languages/Title]]. You can try to make support page in English, it would be great. I think some documentation [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:Documentation] template should be done to include in every multi language page for preventing breaking that templates by other users.
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== About player-created pages ==
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I think it could add a new dynamic to the Wiki is players were allowed to create pages for their own creations and groups. Look to similar Wikis, like CyberNations, which had a bustling Wiki community for their groups and accounts. Quite a waste of bandwidth if this whole site was for nothing but game mechanics. <br />
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[[Soviet Reunion]] ([[User talk:Soviet Reunion|talk]]) 08:00, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
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: I will firstly point out that I am not in any way authoritative with regards to this wiki, I am simply an active community member. There is currently no precedent for pages of this style dealing with players own work, I believe the best place for that would be the official forums. This game is complex and has plenty of in-game story that if mixed with user generated story will cause needless confusion. If you really do desire such pages, then please suggest the idea on the talk page the for the main page where it can be discussed. I will also point out that 'player created' pages are what this wiki thrives on, the problem at hand is pages regarding 'fan fiction'. [[User:Thecoshman|Thecoshman]] ([[User talk:Thecoshman|talk]]) 08:15, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
  
 
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By the way I'm making a russian wiki http://ksp-wiki.ru. You don't mind if I'll use information from this wiki?
 
By the way I'm making a russian wiki http://ksp-wiki.ru. You don't mind if I'll use information from this wiki?
 
: This wiki already has an in progress Russian translation. I am not in a position to say if it is ok to take the content from here, but I think it would be better if you made use of this wiki, and helped translate it. Most pages have a Russian version '/ru' tagged onto the end of the URL. [[User:Thecoshman|Thecoshman]] ([[User talk:Thecoshman|talk]]) 12:19, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
 
: This wiki already has an in progress Russian translation. I am not in a position to say if it is ok to take the content from here, but I think it would be better if you made use of this wiki, and helped translate it. Most pages have a Russian version '/ru' tagged onto the end of the URL. [[User:Thecoshman|Thecoshman]] ([[User talk:Thecoshman|talk]]) 12:19, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
We translate ourselves from English to Russia and we have more information translated.
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:: We translate from English to Russian ourselves and we have more information translated.
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::: I personally don't have a problem with you maintaining a separate wiki, but I do think it would better if you used the Official wiki and help translate it. Especially I am sure more will people will come to this wiki first, as it is what the main KSP site links to. [[User:Thecoshman|Thecoshman]] ([[User talk:Thecoshman|talk]]) 12:53, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
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:::: But the starting page of this wiki is in English and mine wiki is in Russian,so my wiki is more attractive.
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::::: I understand your point of view. There is not much more to be said on this issue. I would personally rather see content taken from that dedicated Russian wiki moved over to the translated version of this official wiki. If you feel other wise, that's fine. [[User:Thecoshman|Thecoshman]] ([[User talk:Thecoshman|talk]]) 13:37, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
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: WTTeam, I understand your need for a Russian wiki.  However, as you can see by visiting http://kspwiki.nexisonline.net/wiki/Main_Page/ru, this wiki is more than capable of handling the needs of Russian users.  Since this is the official wiki, it will be far more up to date, and it has many anti-spam improvements. We do need people to help us translate for Russian users, though, so if I've missed any features you need, please let me know. -- [[User:N3X15|N3X15]] ([[User talk:N3X15|talk]]) 19:53, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
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:: First issue is Russian interface, I think it can be done with '''ru''' prefix like <nowiki>http://ru.kspwiki.nexisonline.net/wiki/Main_Page/</nowiki>, but then I'll not be able to use one template it both wikies. Am not I? --[[User:Varden|Varden]] ([[User talk:Varden|talk]]) 13:42, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
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== About Talk ==
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Firstly, please do not instruct people what they can and cannot do on my talk page.  Talk pages are designed to allow discussion with that user, so if someone has a question to direct to me, they can freely do so on the talk page.  That's what it's there for.
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Second, as far as I can tall, you are not a sysop, and dictating policy when you are not a sysop or bureaucrat is out of line.  Even though I've made this wiki as open as I can, Squad still owns the wiki, and only they can decide policies.  So please, do not tell users what should and should not be done.  That's our job.
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Thank you for understanding. -- [[User:N3X15|N3X15]] ([[User talk:N3X15|talk]]) 20:27, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
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: I respect your stance on this. I have merely been acting in what I thought is in the interest on the community, which has thus far been to take common wiki practice and apply them to this wiki in the absence of a precedence. With regards to talk pages, we they are there for users to talk directly to others, and use as such I have no had problems with, what I picked issue at was people using talk pages to discuss broader subjects, such as wiki wide issues or page specific issues.
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: As to this policy you speak of, I am not so sure to what you refer. Again, I have tried to act in the interest of the community, for instance attempting to set a style for details such as change logs on articles. I do not feel I have been telling people what should and should not be done, I have merely pointed out that there are things that need to be done, and I do not see the problem with this. Should I really just sit back and wait for someone like your self to decide on every possible issue, is it not permissible to empower the community, to help move things along?
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: If you would prefer, I will begrudgingly sit back and allow things to simply happen at their own pace. I can restrain my self to merely trying to add and improve the raw content. If it where even desired I could simply leave altogether, and do so with out a fuss. If left alone, I will continue to do as I have been, trying to do my best to help improve this wiki for the community
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: [[User:Thecoshman|Thecoshman]] ([[User talk:Thecoshman|talk]]) 07:55, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
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== Issues running KSP under Linux ==
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On the [[Tutorial:Game_Manual]] I noticed you stated that you can't run KSP on your current setup.  I currently run KSP 0.20.2 on Linux just fine.  There are some frequent crash issues, but otherwise it works OK.  If you need assistance in making sure your base system is set up properly, I can help with that.  Just tell me what the issue is. If you want to, I'm usually on the KSPOfficial chat line.  (irc://irc.esper.net#KSPOfficial) --[[User:Ruedii|Ruedii]] ([[User talk:Ruedii|talk]]) 20:12, 5 July 2013 (CDT)
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:His/Her statements are from the 23rd of December where Linux wasn't natively supported. So I guess those are outdated. — [[User:XZise|xZise]] <small>&#91;[[User talk:XZise|talk]]&#93;</small> 07:34, 6 July 2013 (CDT)
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::lol, I never seen anybody consider for even a second that I might just be a lass, I am not btw. Yeah, back then I was running a non native version. I am back up and running that latest versions, it's so good to be back to crashing ships all over the place, and a beastly new computer helps too. Thanks very much for the offer for help though. Going to have a look at getting that tutorial updated as best I can. [[User:Thecoshman|Thecoshman]] ([[User talk:Thecoshman|talk]]) 16:52, 1 August 2013 (CDT)
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:::Unfortunately languages like English don't support gender non-specific pronouns, so I simply tried to be non-specific by adding both. At least most job descriptions are non-specific (Engineer) while e.g. German has a word for male engineers and one for female engineers (or you are creating really strange names which are non-specific). — [[User:XZise|xZise]] <small>&#91;[[User talk:XZise|talk]]&#93;</small> 17:26, 1 August 2013 (CDT)

Latest revision as of 22:26, 1 August 2013

Why have you made subtemplates for Parts? Even if it would be better for some reason, you made it wrong, now multilanguage don`t work.
I don't have time now to fix it, but you should send information about language to structures {{#switch:{{{1}}} in template.
Template {{Template:SUBPAGENAME}} get Suffix "ru" from Russian pages and sends it to template, where structure {{#switch:{{{1}}} uses it to choose Russian version of word.
You should type not {{Template:Stats Table SAS}}, but {{Template:Stats Table SAS|{{Template:SUBPAGENAME}}}}. You should do it that way for all multilanguage templates. Please fix it all. I hope my English is good enough for you to understand me. --Varden (talk) 00:21, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

The reason I made the sub-templates is so they can be reused in many locations. The work you had done had tied the tables together, so something like a table for RCS thrusters can not be used in isolation from the rest of the command and control. I will try to understand how to make it so that these sub-templates can be used with multi language, but if you could perhaps do the first one, so I can see how it should be used, and of course I will not be able to provide the actual translations.
Where you suggest that I put 'SUBPAGENAME' is that a variable that indicated what language to use, or is it something that stays constant? I do want to help support multi-language, but at the same time, I am sure you can appreciate that English is the dominate language that will get priority. Thecoshman (talk) 15:38, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
I've fixed one[1]. I learned about switch structure in this Template:Languages/Title. You can try to make support page in English, it would be great. I think some documentation [2] template should be done to include in every multi language page for preventing breaking that templates by other users.

About player-created pages

I think it could add a new dynamic to the Wiki is players were allowed to create pages for their own creations and groups. Look to similar Wikis, like CyberNations, which had a bustling Wiki community for their groups and accounts. Quite a waste of bandwidth if this whole site was for nothing but game mechanics.
Soviet Reunion (talk) 08:00, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

I will firstly point out that I am not in any way authoritative with regards to this wiki, I am simply an active community member. There is currently no precedent for pages of this style dealing with players own work, I believe the best place for that would be the official forums. This game is complex and has plenty of in-game story that if mixed with user generated story will cause needless confusion. If you really do desire such pages, then please suggest the idea on the talk page the for the main page where it can be discussed. I will also point out that 'player created' pages are what this wiki thrives on, the problem at hand is pages regarding 'fan fiction'. Thecoshman (talk) 08:15, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Sorry about that translation.I did it accidentally.

By the way I'm making a russian wiki http://ksp-wiki.ru. You don't mind if I'll use information from this wiki?

This wiki already has an in progress Russian translation. I am not in a position to say if it is ok to take the content from here, but I think it would be better if you made use of this wiki, and helped translate it. Most pages have a Russian version '/ru' tagged onto the end of the URL. Thecoshman (talk) 12:19, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
We translate from English to Russian ourselves and we have more information translated.
I personally don't have a problem with you maintaining a separate wiki, but I do think it would better if you used the Official wiki and help translate it. Especially I am sure more will people will come to this wiki first, as it is what the main KSP site links to. Thecoshman (talk) 12:53, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
But the starting page of this wiki is in English and mine wiki is in Russian,so my wiki is more attractive.
I understand your point of view. There is not much more to be said on this issue. I would personally rather see content taken from that dedicated Russian wiki moved over to the translated version of this official wiki. If you feel other wise, that's fine. Thecoshman (talk) 13:37, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
WTTeam, I understand your need for a Russian wiki. However, as you can see by visiting http://kspwiki.nexisonline.net/wiki/Main_Page/ru, this wiki is more than capable of handling the needs of Russian users. Since this is the official wiki, it will be far more up to date, and it has many anti-spam improvements. We do need people to help us translate for Russian users, though, so if I've missed any features you need, please let me know. -- N3X15 (talk) 19:53, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
First issue is Russian interface, I think it can be done with ru prefix like http://ru.kspwiki.nexisonline.net/wiki/Main_Page/, but then I'll not be able to use one template it both wikies. Am not I? --Varden (talk) 13:42, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

About Talk

Firstly, please do not instruct people what they can and cannot do on my talk page. Talk pages are designed to allow discussion with that user, so if someone has a question to direct to me, they can freely do so on the talk page. That's what it's there for.

Second, as far as I can tall, you are not a sysop, and dictating policy when you are not a sysop or bureaucrat is out of line. Even though I've made this wiki as open as I can, Squad still owns the wiki, and only they can decide policies. So please, do not tell users what should and should not be done. That's our job.

Thank you for understanding. -- N3X15 (talk) 20:27, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

I respect your stance on this. I have merely been acting in what I thought is in the interest on the community, which has thus far been to take common wiki practice and apply them to this wiki in the absence of a precedence. With regards to talk pages, we they are there for users to talk directly to others, and use as such I have no had problems with, what I picked issue at was people using talk pages to discuss broader subjects, such as wiki wide issues or page specific issues.
As to this policy you speak of, I am not so sure to what you refer. Again, I have tried to act in the interest of the community, for instance attempting to set a style for details such as change logs on articles. I do not feel I have been telling people what should and should not be done, I have merely pointed out that there are things that need to be done, and I do not see the problem with this. Should I really just sit back and wait for someone like your self to decide on every possible issue, is it not permissible to empower the community, to help move things along?
If you would prefer, I will begrudgingly sit back and allow things to simply happen at their own pace. I can restrain my self to merely trying to add and improve the raw content. If it where even desired I could simply leave altogether, and do so with out a fuss. If left alone, I will continue to do as I have been, trying to do my best to help improve this wiki for the community
Thecoshman (talk) 07:55, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Issues running KSP under Linux

On the Tutorial:Game_Manual I noticed you stated that you can't run KSP on your current setup. I currently run KSP 0.20.2 on Linux just fine. There are some frequent crash issues, but otherwise it works OK. If you need assistance in making sure your base system is set up properly, I can help with that. Just tell me what the issue is. If you want to, I'm usually on the KSPOfficial chat line. (irc://irc.esper.net#KSPOfficial) --Ruedii (talk) 20:12, 5 July 2013 (CDT)

His/Her statements are from the 23rd of December where Linux wasn't natively supported. So I guess those are outdated. — xZise [talk] 07:34, 6 July 2013 (CDT)
lol, I never seen anybody consider for even a second that I might just be a lass, I am not btw. Yeah, back then I was running a non native version. I am back up and running that latest versions, it's so good to be back to crashing ships all over the place, and a beastly new computer helps too. Thanks very much for the offer for help though. Going to have a look at getting that tutorial updated as best I can. Thecoshman (talk) 16:52, 1 August 2013 (CDT)
Unfortunately languages like English don't support gender non-specific pronouns, so I simply tried to be non-specific by adding both. At least most job descriptions are non-specific (Engineer) while e.g. German has a word for male engineers and one for female engineers (or you are creating really strange names which are non-specific). — xZise [talk] 17:26, 1 August 2013 (CDT)