Difference between revisions of "User talk:NWM"

Revision as of 21:01, 26 February 2015

Undid change

Hi, why did you undo this change in {{Infobox/Body}}? I'm just curious, because it looks to me fine but maybe I can help. — xZise [talk] 09:25, 31 March 2014 (CDT)

Thanx for your offer! It had Simply collapsed the infobox. I'd not found the fault (generated reference fault as I'd checked in a planet's page - and I swear, I did not messed anything around the references!), so I'have recreated it. NWM

Okay a reference error… Does the error still appear? — xZise [talk] 10:03, 31 March 2014 (CDT)

Error has disappeared - just checked

Move FL-A5 Adapter image

Hi, you requested to remove File:FL-5A Adapter.png. Am I correct in the assumption that it is simply File:FL-A5 Adapter.png without background? If so you could update the image correctly named. I could also move the file that the file name does make sense as I prefer part images without backgrounds. For example moving File:FL-A5 Adapter.png to File:FL-A5 Adapter with background.png (or something like that) and then File:FL-5A Adapter.png to File:FL-A5 Adapter.png (this way no file names would need to be changed). — xZise [talk] 14:33, 26 June 2014 (CDT)

I've made that picture, because I had not noticed the existence of the original one, and the during the uploading I was not warned due to that misspelling. Its resolution equal with the current, and has white background (I'm not expert in GIMP). And I've already uploaded a better new one. NWM

Okay, I removed the incorrectly named file. — xZise [talk] 05:03, 27 June 2014 (CDT)

Uploading images

Hi NWM, you uploaded the wrong version of File:Illuminator Mk1.png after you already fixed it. And you uploaded File:Illuminator Mk2.png twice. Simply reload without cache to see the new image to verify it worked. Also File:Z-100.png has the green border. — xZise [talk] 13:58, 30 June 2014 (CDT) - I assure you, that "wrong" version has no green border - apart from the glass it must be totally grey(I'he just GIMP-ed it), I've just recolored the glass. - I'm on correcting the Z100.

Notification about the decimal separator

Hi, I noticed you updated some tables with {{DS}}. While they are currently fine, you have to be careful in templates like your edit here. For example the {{Infobox/Part}} automatically calculates the dry costs and wet mass (if the resources are given) like in Command Pod Mk1. This might not work if {{DS}} is present, because {{#expr:}} (which is used to calculate the other values) does not support commas as decimal separator. So it works on English pages it won't in languages using the comma.

The solution would be to use {{Formatnum}} in the template itself. — xZise [talk] 08:31, 21 July 2014 (CDT)

Okay I edited it for the mass and costs of the part infobox. You could use that as a template for other places. The disadvantage is that this now generates a fixed amount of decimal places. — xZise [talk] 08:41, 21 July 2014 (CDT)

Thanks. I've not tested that change - I'd to leave the computer... I hope introducing the "cost" column does not disturb anything. And a question: is there a brief info about how wings work in KSP? /maybe I'll write that article (at least, in this case, those "correctors" will have a reasonable work).

Where did you introduce the cost column? I also don't think that there is an explanation on how wings work on this wiki. Actually wing itself doesn't even exist, so if you can find information about that feel free to share it. — xZise [talk] 15:40, 21 July 2014 (CDT)

I've introduced the cost in the table of RCS fuel tanks. And there is no cost info in some other table too. And I want to write that wing - it is simply more important, then xxx Kerman's biography.NWM (talk) 15:54, 21 July 2014 (CDT)

Oh yeah that cost thing looked nice. Especially because it's on two rows you save space, because it's about that height anyway because of the image. Problem is of course sorting. I haven't checked it, but it is possible that the sorting order is different for wet mass than for dry mass. And this also applies to dry/wet cost. — xZise [talk] 20:41, 21 July 2014 (CDT)

Bot has run

It finally has done it job: Kerbal Space Program Wiki:Helpdesk#Multilingual search. — xZise [talk] 08:07, 12 September 2014 (CDT)

Other translation of drag in the header

Hi, I have no idea of the Hungarian language, but you added a separate translation for drag there, but {{Stats Table Header/Drag}} already contains a translation. I guess the difference is that it says it's the stowed drag? — xZise [talk] 04:10, 2 October 2014 (CDT)

It is more simple: for the narrow cells i've separated the word "légellenállás" into two lined:

légellen-

állás

it looked quite a stupid in that wide cell. Ok, next time I let there a long explanation... NWM (talk) 12:02, 2 October 2014 (CDT)

I haven't tested it but ­ does something similar (but I'm not sure if the browser would use that to make a cell narrower). — xZise [talk] 08:22, 12 October 2014 (CDT)

Worth to know, but that "­" works when there are not enough place, mainly gives an opportunity to brake in the middle of the word... luftwider­stand (if it is correct). I wanted an always narrower cell... — Preceding unsigned comment added by NWM (talk • contribs) 13:55, 12 October 2014‎ (UTC)

Oh okay yeah ­ is then not an really option (although you could argue as long as the table doesn't “overflow” it doesn't need to get narrower). — xZise [talk] 06:56, 13 October 2014 (CDT)

Thank you for your uploads

As the title says: Thank you for uploading high resolution transparent images for the new/retextured parts. — xZise [talk] 08:21, 12 October 2014 (CDT)

General information about a part type

Hi you added general information about a part type (solar panels in this case) to one solar panel part: http://wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.com/w/index.php?title=SP-W_2x3_Photovoltaic_Panels&curid=1728&diff=52398&oldid=42586&rcid=65861 Something like this should be written to solar panel as it applies to all parts (except one). So you don't need to copy and paste the text and if one error is found you don't need to fix all. — xZise [talk] 16:32, 1 November 2014 (CDT)

Do you mean I should modernize the "electric charge"? NWM (talk) 01:44, 2 November 2014 (CDT)

For example. Or create a separate article if you think there is enough material for one. The solar panels could also link to [[Solar panel#Behavior]] or something like this. — xZise [talk] 07:51, 2 November 2014 (CST)

Fuel flow rate

I'm not sure if we should sue the fuel flow rate icon, especially if you look into those two changes:

• http://wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.com/w/index.php?title=Template:Stats_Table_Liquid_Fuel_Engines&curid=679&diff=52577&oldid=50223&rcid=66047
• http://wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.com/w/index.php?title=Template:Stats_Table_Jet_Engines&curid=674&diff=52578&oldid=50704&rcid=66048

Unless it wasn't 1 L/t, there is now at least an inconsistency because in the first one it's displaying the mass flow and the second one is displaying a volume flow. If the mass flow given it should use (afaik) the unit mass/time and not your icon as we have a unit for mass. I think we should only use the jerrycan if it's describing a volume but even then I think unit or something similar is better (we should also create a page talking about this issue) as this is something you could work with in mathematics (as you know what you've got). The jerrycan could be anything and it doesn't really work as a unit, as there is no difference in one liter LH2 or RP-1, both would fill a cube on 1 dm side length. This is just my two cents. — xZise [talk] 07:50, 2 November 2014 (CST) At the first case you have absolutely right - it is mass flow, and not fuel flow. ≈t - means tonnes (but what is that "≈" for?) -I should be more careful... As I've declared the jerrycan symbols one unit (as the game counts it - not a kind of unit of measure - and definitely is not equal with the liter) of fuel, as "$" symbols one dollars -just not official, only locally in the wiki. The mark|fuelflow -is only constrain-solution as the default jerrycan cannot be linked, and so [w:fuel flow|(fuel unit)/s] cannot be solved in other way. The fundmark, atom, star, lightning, jerrycan, baloon, sprayer only symbolizes a kind of unit, avoidance of such stupidity like "the density of the air is 5000kg/m³... (unit is unit and it is liter, or what?), shortening the writing of unit s(h)ort without misunderstanding abbreviations (sometimes "e" was used for the unit of electric charge - the point it is an official unit of electric charge, but it means electric charge of a single electron!)

Monopropellant and RCS

Hi, I noticed you changed probably monopropellant to RCS. I'm not a Squad official or such but I think monopropellant is the fuel type (like liquid fuel) and RCS is a system (like SAS). With the introduction of the O-10 MonoPropellant Engine I try to follow that rule because the engine is not related to the RCS but is using monopropellant. So you can leave it as it is (I guess the word was to long otherwise), I just wanted to inform you. — xZise [talk] 07:24, 10 November 2014 (CST)

I know, but in the wiki the "monopropellant fuel" and the "RCS fuel" are lame synonyms (RCS fuel tanks). The hungarian "egykomponensű"(=contains one component) hajtóanyag (=fuel ~ substance makes something work) is too long for the partbox, and cannot be shorted to "egykomponensű" because it doesn't means alone a kind of fuel as "mono-propellant", so I've shortened as "RCS hajtóanyag" - (substance makes RCS work).

Template name

Hi NWM, why did you named the template {{Dict/sci node}}? Especially the 4t is confusing (the rest more or less make sense). Maybe we can find a better name (I might be able to rename all usages relatively easily, I'll try it later with another script. — xZise [talk] 09:35, 26 November 2014 (CST)

Hi XZise! "4t" = "for tables" - abbreviation. Simply, "for tables" would be long...

But it isn't made only for tables. In theory the part infobox could use it too. — xZise [talk] 19:39, 27 November 2014 (CST)

I've made it for that table. For general use I would make a more "elastic" template with optional switches and def.flags of options of forms (breaked?, english appears? ...), but I am not good in these multi-parametric things...

Maybe some kind of dict template like this for the experiments and parts would be also useful...

And of course you can rename it, if you wish.NWM (talk) 03:25, 28 November 2014 (CST)

I opted for {{Dict/sci node}} so it's clear that "sc" means "science" and then to have a similar style like {{Infobox/Part}}. I also updated all references (using BobBot this is getting relatively easy). — xZise [talk] 04:44, 3 December 2014 (CST)

Yea, but is not shorter, and with the space it is more difficult to learn, and it is not brother in form with {{DictPart}} I've started to fill up (now just only the {{Engine alternators}} use it). And a question: Why have you deleted the "antenna range" rumor from the "Questionable" section of the Planed features. I've created the "Questionable" sections for the rumor-level and tourette-syndromed features?...NWM (talk) 02:28, 7 December 2014 (CST)

DictPart came after DictSciNode4t and I've been working on templates to follow the same rules: No CamelCase and instead like snake case but with spaces. And length does not matter that much on computers as you can easily copy and paste text especially.

About Antenna Range: Because just because he said he uses it to play with does mean __anything__. You can't take a word a dev say for granted unless it's implemented and except for that one sentence there has been no hint by anyone else. And the section where you added it, is just for the junk which hasn't been confirmed and the goal is to shorten that list not to add other 'speculation'. Readers quickly jump the gun and take anything it says for granted even if we plaster the screen with info that this is informal (at least if there is no recent source). I also mentioned it (shortened of course) in the summary: “There is no mention at all that this will be included in stock, not every mod a employee mentions will be added”. — xZise [talk] 07:09, 14 December 2014 (CST)

Okay sorry the section it's in shouldn't be shortened because I thought there were all the unsourced stuff. But even though the difference of those entries is that a employee talks officially about features of Kerbal Space Programm and not says he likes the Antenna Range mod. — xZise [talk] 07:13, 14 December 2014 (CST)

Switched images

Hi, is it possible that you switched the images of File:Mk3 Rocket Fuel Fuselage Short.png and File:Mk3 Rocket Fuel Fuselage.png? At least from the name and data the 'Short' part should be shorter than the normal one. If that is the case just let me know and I switch both images (you don't need to reupload anything or so). The articles seem to use the correct image by name and not appearance so I guess there don't need to be any fixes there. — xZise [talk] 06:21, 17 December 2014 (CST)

Well nevermind then. — xZise [talk] 14:48, 17 December 2014 (CST)

Sry NWM (talk) 15:21, 17 December 2014 (CST)

Marking images to be moved

Hi NWM, if you add the file namespace (just 'File:') to the target page in a {{move}} notice you'd see if the page already exists (because it's then a blue link). So what do you want to do with File:Mk3 Liquid Fuel Fuselage..png? Shall I delete the old image? Are you also sure that File:C7 Brand Adapter 2.5m to 1.25m.png and File:C7 Brand Adapter 2.5m to 1.25m Slanted.png should be moved, because the parts actually say 2.5m and not Mk3? — xZise [talk] 15:07, 17 December 2014 (CST)

I worked with icons on desktop - and I've given a wrong names those C7 brand-s are Mk3-s, and I was not warned due to the C7 had wrong name too. Mk3 Liquid Fuel Fuselage..png - to point at front of the extension...

sorry for the mass of failures. PS:can you change images Mk2 Fuselage Sorts (Liquid Fuel <-> LF+O). I can't imagine how I mixed them (the liquid fuel tanks "photographed" in horizontal orientation. NWM (talk) 15:21, 17 December 2014 (CST)

Yeah I asked in the IRC and then I noticed that I derped about the adapters. No worries but I'd appreciate if you'd be more careful when adding the move notice because then I'd be able to let the bot do it for me (the non-slanted part was to be named slanted for example).

I don't understand your second request :( — xZise [talk] 15:29, 17 December 2014 (CST)

An Mk2 Fuselage Short Liquid Fuel illustrated on the Mk2 Fuselage Sort F+O.png, and vica-versa. NWM (talk) 15:50, 17 December 2014 (CST)

A bit unrelated but this also doesn't contain the namespace ('Template:' in that case). — xZise [talk] 16:28, 26 December 2014 (CST)

About your templates

Hi, about {{Celestial/Dict}} I think it's already supported by {{Body data/name}} or {{Body data/full name}} (except maybe for the asteroids but I'm not sure they are needed) and the templates are using Dict/… if they are a dict without a template (there is not Celestial template) and only …/Dict if they are just dictionaries for those templates. Then {{GainXPbyCel}} again CamelCase with abbreviations. This template is used once per page, there is no reason why not using a proper name like Kerbal XP multipliers. Then a question to {{Level/XP}}: Why the slash between Level and XP? Do you plan more subtemplates for level?

Don't get me wrong that I don't appreciate your edits but I try to have a common basis so that when others try to add their stuff that they can orient themselves on that. — xZise [talk] 21:08, 19 December 2014 (CST)

Hi, 'Body data/full name' doesn't supports "The Sun" too, and always writes the (Mun) after the Mün. I simply have to categorize the the words I wanted to translated by template. The "celestial" terms like "sidereal time" fits there, but it will filled up as used in translated by template tables (Yes, the {{TechTree}} will be updated for four languages with in a single turn). DictPart (you can rename it to Dict/Part) is filled up only partly for the needs of the {{Engine alternators}}. As it filled up I'll upgrade the TechTree too, but I think there are wast amount more important think to do (translating, creating and upgrading dozens of pages and writing some tutorials in two languages...), and it has no high priority. So rename to "Celestial/Dict", "Kerbal XP multipliers" and "Level-XP" - I don't care of the names, I just want to work more efficiently...

{{Body data/Name}} does support Sun (okay with 'The') and full name is based on that. Also Mün is not an official name (neither is Kerbol but see that discussion). Now you've added more 'general' translations (like celestial body) it's for useful for other celestial specific terms. But just not the names as there are already working templates, which you can modify if they don't exactly suit your need (e.g. add Mün although … hmm I'm not keen about that). And copying the names from body data is unnecessary duplication. — xZise [talk] 17:20, 20 December 2014 (CST)

And some question is there any method (or template) to ignore the braking in a subtext (not prohibit as nowrap does)? And something for forcing lower case (like "Moon" -> "moon") ?

And a last question: is there any method to replace a words in the whole wiki as the template names. It would be useful for the renamed parts... NWM (talk) 11:48, 20 December 2014 (CST)

I'm not sure what you mean with our first idea to “ignore” line breaks. There is something to “force“ lower case: {{lc:Moon}} returns moon. The same applies to {{uc:}}. And about the last one: Do you want to replace every word like LV-T45 Liquid Fuel Engine with another string? In theory I could run the bot to do that but I wouldn't want to replace words with templates if those words aren't shared. I might understand your question wrong, then you can ignore what I say but for example in the article LV-T45 Liquid Fuel Engine I wouldn't want to replace every occurrence of LV-T45 Liquid Fuel Engine with a template which generates for me because it lowers the readability and the functionality of the template wouldn't be used (I guess you want to simplify the {{if lang link}} things). — xZise [talk] 17:20, 20 December 2014 (CST)

JPG artifacts

Hi it's okay to upload PNG images instead of JPG images if it's about the GUI with a lot of text. JPG doesn't compress well text (because of the fine lines) like in File:Astronaut Complex menu.jpg. — xZise [talk] 16:51, 4 January 2015 (CST)

Header alternatives

Hi, why do you explicitly allow another header in this change without actually removing a header named Navigation? I know you recently explained to someone that they broke some links because the header was changed. But that isn't the case here and I don't see why this should be done. Just to avoid writing ' marks'? The main problem is that if this section is renamed another span needs to be added and so on. So I'd recommend to have that at a minimum and not add alternatives for no reason, because if now someone is actually linking to #Navigation this can't be removed without fixing or breaking the link. — xZise [talk] 16:52, 8 January 2015 (CST)

Simply, I'd created links to "Navigation" in other articles before I've started to write the sequence.NWM (talk) 18:08, 8 January 2015 (CST)

Uh … maybe this should then be done the other way around? :/ — xZise [talk] 07:12, 9 January 2015 (CST)

Couldn't find any links in Biome were broken

Concerning your recent edit to Biome, what links were broken? I went through about all the "What links here" pages and found nothing linking to the "Biomes of the celestials" section anywhere. Perhaps this is similar to the above about the Navball article.
I get wanting to group the whole block together, but the section title adds nothing, as the intro already explains that biomes occur on celestial bodies. Having things organized as children of Kerbol groups it quite logically. And for presentation, the extra section title makes the table of contents needlessly nested — having Kerbol as “1” and “third potato from the sun” Kerbin as “1.3” is more rational than the parent star being “1.1”, and a number like “1.1.3” looks complicated when it doesn't need to be. --Brendan (talk) 03:15, 26 February 2015 (CST)

Yos, it was a nasty trolling! The real cause is "uninformative main sequence name".

If you knew that function of the wiki, you can fix the broken links of the science page you had made half a year ago. Good luck! NWM (talk) 09:22, 26 February 2015 (CST)

That doesn't answer Brendan's comment. They just removed one section header so only links to that one section header would be “broken” (they would still link to the same page though). Your current solution is worse than before as it puts the list header on the same level as the others. I'm going to use Brendan's version as it only breaks one header and does make sense. If you think that the previous layout was better feel free to explain it here.

Regarding the science page: Links with # tags should be generally avoided anyway to avoid exactly that problem. It also hides to the user where the link actually links. — xZise [talk] 12:05, 26 February 2015 (CST)

By the way I don't see any trolling there? It sounds sensible. I also don't understand your “uninformative main sequence name”. — xZise [talk] 12:08, 26 February 2015 (CST)

"uninformative main sequence name" - Kerbol is an unofficial name, doesn't mean anything as a main sequence for the outsiders looking for biome map.

The answer s full. He knows: there is no broken links in biome, and I know: Brendan knows the linking system tracing. And finally he avoiding the #-s won't save from breaking links by moving sequences to an another page. (the trolling is a fishing method - although nowadays means something among the faceless crowds) NWM (talk) 13:52, 26 February 2015 (CST)

You contribute a lot of work around here, NWM! I'll take a look through the Science history and search for links to previous #section_titles. Could also look into broken link detection tools like the BrokenLinks wikimedia extension. --Brendan (talk) 15:01, 26 February 2015 (CST)