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Thanks a lot for your work on [[Template:Planetbox]] and related templates! It's really nice to have them cleaned up so that they no longer require redundant information. &mdash; [[User:Elembis|Elembis]] ([[User talk:Elembis|talk]]) 13:44, 18 February 2013 (CST)
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== Can you move a page please? ==
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We have a terminology page in Turkish but I opened it with a Turkish title as Sözlük and we can't use the language box on the left so can you please move the page to "Terminology/tr" ? --[[User:Meqatron|Meqatron]] ([[User talk:Meqatron|talk]]) 05:50, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
  
== Spoiler Template ==
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== planed features changes ==
  
Hello XZise. I noticed that you seem to know your way around MediaWiki syntax. Could you create a "spoiler" template for the wiki which hides content until the user clicks on it? That would be very useful for hiding information about easter eggs, like some of the screenshots on the page about [[Mün]]. --[[User:Crush|Crush]] ([[User talk:Crush|talk]]) 08:38, 7 March 2013 (CST)
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both the massive parts and the astaroids are confermed by harvisteR in that streem, he says that astaroids will be in the main game, but other things that include the nasa pack will be separate, i will post a better link to the stream in a second. i actually took the geysers from a post on [[gas planet 2]]. also look at today's dev note it confirms everything <small>— Preceding [[w:Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Krona|Krona]] ([[User talk:Krona|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Krona|contribs]]) 03:15, 19 February 2014‎ (UTC)</small>
  
== Terminal velocity - chart on [[Atmosphere]] ==
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== Interwiki table - KSP-fr wiki ==
  
Thanks for fixing it!  The many Kerbals that would otherwise have died trying to fudge that value experimentally are most grateful!  (They will, more likely than not, be headed for a much more creative death now... for the sake of science, of course.)
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Hi xZise,<br/>
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Can you add a new row in the [[Special:Interwiki|interwiki table]] ?<br/>
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;Prefix
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:kspfrw
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:<nowiki>http://wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.fr/index.php/$1</nowiki>
  
-- [[User:Joren|'''J'''oren]] ([[User talk:Joren|talk]]) 16:51, 27 March 2013 (CDT)
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Thank you in advance,<br/>
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[[User:Mowaw|Mowaw]]<sub><nowiki>[</nowiki>[[User talk:Mowaw|talk]]]</sub>, October 15, 2014 (14:23)
  
:Heh... I didn't even notice that was using a template.  I really should have investigated it further instead of just pressing the delete button... pressing the launch button is much more fun, anyway :) -- [[User:Joren|'''J'''oren]] ([[User talk:Joren|talk]]) 16:57, 27 March 2013 (CDT)
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== Response ==
  
== Error caused by [[Template:Sigfigs]] and [[Template:OrbitAltitude]] ==
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Still learning wikitext.  I hope this is an appropriate way to respond to your comments.
  
Hello XZise. Your recent edits to these two templates caused an error message on the page [[Mün]] ([http://wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.com/w/index.php?title=M%C3%BCn&oldid=12827 old version with the error message]). I fixed it temporarily by removing the Sigfigs template around the OrbitalAltitude template, but you might want to look into it. --[[User:Crush|Crush]] ([[User talk:Crush|talk]]) 07:50, 7 April 2013 (CDT)
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I just discovered another way to do it that involves anchors and tables, and, once implemented, should clean up the table of contents by a huge amount. Thanks for the push-back against the huge list, as I was just going to leave it as is, but your comments have motivated me to learn a little more about wikitext in order to clean it up (which I really wanted to do from the get-go, I just didn't know how). Look forward to seeing changes slowly and steadily whittle that TOC down!
:This is simply because {{Tl|OrbitAltitude}} doesn't return only a number (like 1337.42) and instead format it (<span style="white-space:nowrap;">{{#formatnum:1337.42|2|.|t}}</span>). Now {{Tl|Sigfigs}} expects a plain number. To fix this either remove sigfigs (preferred as it's not useful to use it in cases like your's) or use {{Tl|OrbitAltitude/Core}}. Unfortunately every [[celestials]] article uses <nowiki>{{</nowiki>OrbitAltitude<nowiki>}}</nowiki> indirectly via the {{Tl|Planetbox}} so “What links here” is not of great use. — [[User:XZise|xZise]] <small valign="middle">&#91;[[User talk:XZise|talk]]&#93;</small> 08:03, 7 April 2013 (CDT)
 
::Okay I looked in all articles. I couldn't find any new location of this error. As there is no need to make OrbitAltitude compatible with Sigfigs I would leave it as it is. — [[User:XZise|xZise]] <small valign="middle">&#91;[[User talk:XZise|talk]]&#93;</small> 08:26, 7 April 2013 (CDT)
 
:PS: {{Tl|Tl}} creates easily those cool looking clickable templates. — [[User:XZise|xZise]] <small valign="middle">&#91;[[User talk:XZise|talk]]&#93;</small> 08:08, 7 April 2013 (CDT)
 
  
== /Data ==
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== Page combinations ==
  
XZise, the problem of using one data template is that the template is in english. [[User:Gusta|Gusta]] ([[User talk:Gusta|talk]]) 12:31, 7 April 2013 (CDT)
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As you can see, I am in the process of cleaning it up. I'd also like to have the original page that I created [Configuration File Details] deleted, but I'm not sure how to do that.  As to a quick and dirty edit, well, you have it quite correct there. I discovered (re-discovered?) the link that is on the main page, and rather than learn how to do redirects or disambiguations or whatever, I appended mine to his. I'm in the process of cleaning it all up (70k can take awhile!), but I'm sure that if you've been keeping an eye open, you've already seen some of the massive improvements over what was there before, especially in the Table of Contents!
:Hmmm but [[Kerbol/de]] or [[Kerbol/ru]] have it in German/Russian? In some languages (e.g. Swedish) the translations are missing. But then somebody with Swedish skills should do it. — [[User:XZise|xZise]] <small valign="middle">&#91;[[User talk:XZise|talk]]&#93;</small> 12:47, 7 April 2013 (CDT)
 
:Ah I saw that you are active in the Portuguese Wikipedia and [[Template:Planetbox#Translating|Planetbox]] doesn't support this language. I guess you saw [http://wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.com/w/index.php?title=Kerbol%2Fpt&diff=13332&oldid=13233 this edit] and marking [[Kerbol/pt/Data]] for deletion. If you want to add the Portuguese translation simply edit {{Tl|Planetbox}}. — [[User:XZise|xZise]] <small valign="middle">&#91;[[User talk:XZise|talk]]&#93;</small> 12:53, 7 April 2013 (CDT)
 
::You mean creating [[Template:Planetbox/pt]] ? [[User:Gusta|Gusta]] ([[User talk:Gusta|talk]]) 12:55, 7 April 2013 (CDT)
 
:::“If you want to add the Portuguese translation simply edit {{Tl|Planetbox}}” No not creating a /pt translation (there is no {{Tl|Planetbox/de}}. For example I want to add the translation of mass for Klingon I can do this by adding “<tt>tlh=ngI'</tt>” to
 
:::<pre>{{lang|en=[[w:Mass|Mass]]|nl=[[w:nl:Massa|Massa]]|fr=[[w:fr:Masse|Masse]]|pl=[[w:pl:Masa_(fizyka)|Masa]]|ru=[[w:ru:Масса|Масса]]|de=[[w:de:Masse (Physik)|Masse]]}}</pre>
 
:::As you can see there are already translations into Dutch, French, Polish, Russian and German. Now if you are on a page with /fr as suffix (e.g. [[Kerbol/fr]]) it selects the French text. If there is no text in the “active” language it will use by default English. <small>''As {{Tl|lang}} doesn't understand tlh/Klingon it won't work ;)''</small> — [[User:XZise|xZise]] <small valign="middle">&#91;[[User talk:XZise|talk]]&#93;</small> 13:19, 7 April 2013 (CDT)
 
::::Ohh, understood now. Thanks a lot!. [[User:Gusta|Gusta]] ([[User talk:Gusta|talk]]) 13:29, 7 April 2013 (CDT)
 
  
== Chat Room Idea ==
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== Infobox nextToIcon ==
  
Hi^^ XZise
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Hi xZise,
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Your modifications on [[:Template:Infobox|Infobox template]] are good, but there's a problem when a subtitle is present (eg [[0.90]]).
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&#151; [[User:Mowaw|Mowaw]] <sub>([[User talk:Mowaw|talk]])</sub> - 18:46, 12 January 2015 UTC +1
  
I was thinking of making a chat room for this wiki but i need lots of help [[Kerbal_Space_Program_Chat_Room|Kerbal Space Program Chat Room]] still not so sure if it going to work but worth a shot
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== Objectivity response ==
  
Before you say anything like:
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Hi xZise
  
* This wiki does not need a chat room.
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Thanks for the valuable feed back
  
* It will not work
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Check out what I said in Category:Found lying by the side of the road/de!
  
The chat room idea is a great way to get people to talk to each other instead of using other users talk link for non-important inquiries about KSP or just well, life get to know people and discuss bugs, fix, updates, mods, muddles, ideas and tips etc. - [[User:Nova_Storm|Nova Storm]] ([[User_talk:Nova_Storm|Talk]])
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--[[User:KWman|Kwman]] ([[User talk:KWman|talk]]) 17:35, 10 February 2015 (CST)
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:One problem is using the I perspective. When ''you'' think something state it vaguely or similar but don't say “I don't know it” because it's hard to determine who “I” is then. And using a username isn't that good either and that should be discussed then on the talk page (that you think it's so).
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:Now the other problem is … it's not in German ;) — [[User:XZise|xZise]] <small>&#91;[[User talk:XZise|talk]]&#93;</small> 17:50, 10 February 2015 (CST)
  
: So, er, what would it add that [irc://irc.esper.net/#KSPOfficial the IRC channel] does not? [[User:UmbralRaptor|UmbralRaptor]] ([[User talk:UmbralRaptor|talk]]) 22:53, 1 May 2013 (CDT)
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Hi again
:: Technically it would be asynchronous. If you have a question but the person who can answer it isn't online at the moment it is still possible to answer later while the person who ask the question can be already offline. But apart from that, I don't see an advantage. — [[User:XZise|xZise]] <small valign="middle">&#91;[[User talk:XZise|talk]]&#93;</small> 03:29, 2 May 2013 (CDT)
 
  
== Reply to message. ==
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Heres the PROPER LINK! ([[User:talk]])
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:No it's "User talk:<username>" like the name of this page. You can sign your posts automatically by writing <nowiki>--~~~~</nowiki> <!-- the <nowiki> is just there so the software DOES not change it. So only copy the part between it. --> or by clicking on the pen in bar above. It will then link to your actual talk page (remember I contacted you there so there should be something): [[User talk:KWman]]. — [[User:XZise|xZise]] <small>&#91;[[User talk:XZise|talk]]&#93;</small> 05:15, 13 February 2015 (CST)
  
Hello, and thank you for your message! I think I've got most of it figured out at the moment, but I'll let you know if I need anything. :)
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== New Demo? ==
:Nice :) and maybe sign (<nowiki>--~~~~</nowiki>) your post, so I know who talks to me ;) — [[User:XZise|xZise]] <small valign="middle">&#91;[[User talk:XZise|talk]]&#93;</small> 16:16, 1 May 2013 (CDT)
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The differences between the demo and the paid version become so great, that is easier to make a separate "tutorial:how to make a rocket (demo)" than break the main page with perpetual notes about demo. Do you know anything about any new demo version arrival? [[User:NWM|NWM]] ([[User talk:NWM|talk]]) 04:33, 25 March 2015 (CDT)
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:What do you mean with main page? On [[Main Page]] I can't see any link, but if I should move something tell me and I'll take a look. And nope I don't know when/if a new demo arrives, although I'd expect one only after the release of 1.0, maybe with it. — [[User:XZise|xZise]] <small>&#91;[[User talk:XZise|talk]]&#93;</small> 12:34, 25 March 2015 (CDT)
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::Sry I'd meant main article - the tutor for the full version. It seems making a separate tutorial for the demo is more reasonable if the difference remains with the old tutorial... [[User:NWM|NWM]] ([[User talk:NWM|talk]]) 03:59, 26 March 2015 (CDT)
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:::Ah! Well depends on the amount of duplication. Is the tutorial already here on the wiki so I can take a look? — [[User:XZise|xZise]] <small>&#91;[[User talk:XZise|talk]]&#93;</small> 09:15, 27 March 2015 (CDT)
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::::It is just half ready, and in Hungarian only. It is the "LES tutorial". I build it as a step by step tutor with many pictures. Building LES - teaches the editor, the tanker - propulsion, SAS,RCS, docking, electric system etc., the lander 1 - legs, parachutes, ladders, lander 2 - science, fuel pipes, struts. And a fast sample for interplanetary stage, and a short lesson about the launch vehicles. Maybe, I'll start to translate the first sequences before it is finished totally. The demo is more simple: a simple mun attacker rocket would be enough... [[User:NWM|NWM]] ([[User talk:NWM|talk]]) 18:53, 27 March 2015 (CDT)
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::::I've downloaded the new demo. It is even more disappointing then the 1.0 full game. Having landing legs without any short engine - what the holy sh*t! (BUT at least there is such an almost totally useless part like the RT-5 "Flea" SRB!) Has anyone tried it? It is a real torture to build a Mun-mission even for an experienced player!
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::::The tutorial's first section is translated to English, although, needs grammar correction, and some enhancements... [[User:NWM|NWM]] ([[User talk:NWM|talk]]) 14:59, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
  
== Mun Tutorial ==
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==building upgrades==
  
Thanks for your helpful amendments to my edit of the Mun Landing tutorial. Great stuff!  - [[User:Kerloyov|Kerloyov]] ([[User talk:Kerloyov|talk]]) 11:45, 13 May 2013 (GMT)
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Just so you know I directly quoted the game when I made those additions. I dont have an issue with your changes. Just be aware that those are not my words. [[User:Benargee|Benargee]] ([[User talk:Benargee|talk]]) 18:58, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
:Dito ;) PS: How are you able to show the GMT/UTC time and not CDT? — [[User:XZise|xZise]] <small>&#91;[[User talk:XZise|talk]]&#93;</small> 06:40, 13 May 2013 (CDT)
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:I don't blame you (or have a grudge against you) but there are no size restrictions so we don't need to abbreviate words. And then I'm a big opponent of this Upper Case Every Word. — [[User:XZise|xZise]] <small>&#91;[[User talk:XZise|talk]]&#93;</small> 20:16, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
  
== Thanks very much for the Planetbox… ==
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==thumbnails==
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Sry, but: The thumbnails are breaking since the server migration. Will this problem solved in the foreseeable future, or the pages have to be reedited? -[[User:NWM|NWM]] ([[User talk:NWM|talk]]) 19:28, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
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:That is out of my hand. I contacted Squad but they'll working on it no sooner than Monday (working hours of Mexiko). And there is also other stuff broken (like uploading images). I use [[User talk:ALeXmOrA]] to list everything which must be done and can't be done without access to the server (which I don't have). — [[User:XZise|xZise]] <small>&#91;[[User talk:XZise|talk]]&#93;</small> 20:14, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
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::Please inform us when the wiki engine works properly again by leaving an message in the "Wiki News" for example. I do not want to try upload the pictures (dozens, of new parts...) every day, again and again...
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::Thanks - [[User:NWM|NWM]] ([[User talk:NWM|talk]]) 12:44, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
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:::I've added a note at the top so if that is gone you know it should work. Although I don't understand why you try to upload dozens of images. Just one image once a day should be often enough to determine if it works. — [[User:XZise|xZise]] <small>&#91;[[User talk:XZise|talk]]&#93;</small> 12:10, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
  
And for the Zh-cn or Zh-Hans stuff, RHZhao firstly started the Chinese Wiki as Zh-cn. I have held a discussion about whether to move it to Zh-Hans, and the result is most of the users prefer to keep it. So it's like this now.
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== Spam warning templates ==
  
And… A question, is there a grammar to modify the language name displayed on Languange Box? The default name isn't like those in Wikipedia…
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Hey xZise, i created two new templates for warning spammers, and i don't know if it will be useful. I also edited [[Kerbal Space Program Wiki:Fighting spam]]. if you think the templates aren't useful, then you can go ahead and delete it. if you think we should keep and use it, please add admin protection after confirming that nothing needs to be changed with the templates. btw if you think that the templates should be substituted (<nowiki>subst:spam2</nowiki>) please tell me. adding to that i created [[Template:Copyright by Squad]] for use in images. thanks :)
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* [[Template:Vandal1]]
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* [[Template:Vandal2]]
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[[User:Deepspacecreeper|Deepspacecreeper]] ([[User talk:Deepspacecreeper|talk]]) 04:01, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
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:Seems like we have the first customer. — [[User:XZise|xZise]] <small>&#91;[[User talk:XZise|talk]]&#93;</small> 17:01, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
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::[[User talk:Lajoswinkler]] is that your intended appearance with the signature in pre-tags basically? — [[User:XZise|xZise]] <small>&#91;[[User talk:XZise|talk]]&#93;</small> 17:03, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
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::I just don't know why there is a weird signature appearance (like <nowiki><</nowiki>code<nowiki>></nowiki>). and that's exactly not what i want --[[User:Deepspacecreeper|Deepspacecreeper]] ([[User talk:Deepspacecreeper|talk]]) 18:25, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
  
All in all, thanks very much:)
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A couple of thoughts from an interested observer (I spotted the various anti-spam stuff in recent changes). Some of the things currently labelled as "spam" are really not spam at all. Not all vandalism is spam, not all obnoxious behaviour (e.g. harassment) is spam. The reason that I am making this point, is that calling something spam when it is not clearly spam can and will lead to conflicts or confusion. For example, if someone is accused of spamming, but their abuse was something quite different, it greatly weakens the message being sent to them, and they might not even properly understand what they did that was wrong.
:Okay, so zh-cn and zh-hans are the same? This may be relevant for templates like {{Tl|lang}}. About your “Language Box”. Do you mean {{Tl|Main Page Layout/Language Box}}? This uses {{Tl|Mp-lang}} to link to another language and uses the language code provided by {{[[mw:Help:Magic_words#Miscellaneous|#language]]}}. So there is not much to do, '''but''' when I'm on the English [[w:Main Page|Main Page]] the Chinese link to their [[w:zh:Wikipedia:首页|Main Page]] is written as 中文. Now the language box shows 中文(中国大陆)‎which looks for me (I don't have a clue about Chinese) identical, except for the part in the brackets. But this is simply because of the <tt>-cn</tt>
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Spam is really only when it's bulk activities, usually involving some form of advertising or spamming external links for "search optimisation".  Spam can be as little as a single edit, it doesn't have to be bulk within the limits of this site (e.g. a link spammer might spam 1 link here, and 10,000 across 9,999 other wikis).
:* <nowiki>{{#language:zh}}</nowiki> → {{#language:zh}}
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I'm not certain how Wikipedia choose to label the various forms of abuse, but I suggest copying the use of terminology on the English Wikipedia (and I'm assuming that they don't mis-label like this). I'm about 99% certain they always call it vandalism and not spam, when that's the particular problem.
:* <nowiki>{{#language:zh-cn}}</nowiki> → {{#language:zh-cn}}
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I do strongly support anti-spam, anti-vandalism, anti-abuse, etc.  I approve of the concepts and creating warning templates, project pages, etc, despite there not actually being a huge problem on here right now.
:So I don't know what you want to do there. And btw, would be nice if you <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> sign your posts so I know who I'm talking to ;) — [[User:XZise|xZise]] <small>&#91;[[User talk:XZise|talk]]&#93;</small> 13:06, 14 May 2013 (CDT)
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--[[User:Murph|Murph]] ([[User talk:Murph|talk]]) 19:00, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
::In fact not the same… The codes like Zh-cn, Zh-tw, Zh-hk etc. are Chinese languages classified by location; the Zh-Hans and Zh-Hant show the major difference branches: Simplified and Tranditional. The Simplified Chinese(Zh-Hans) is mostly being used in China Mainland, so Zh-Hans and Zh-cn can be partly regarded as the same, but not the whole. As the KSP Wiki in Zh-Hans has been set up as Zh-cn, it will be inconvenient to move.
 
::While… I have an idea… If in future many branches of Chinese join in(as there're already players in Taiwan, Hongkong…), this way maybe good… Just tell me:
 
:: How to set a page as a redirect page? (Visitors get redirected to another page instantly, while this page still has the properties of ordinary pages) (Sorry that I haven't had much experience in Wiki)
 
:: Do ordinary users have the access to create a fully functional template? Thanks:) --[[User:Cesrate|Cesrate]] ([[User talk:Cesrate|talk]]) 07:22, 15 May 2013 (CDT)
 
:: Uhh... After some explorations, you know... I did it. Although I don't know whether will these come in use (depending on the "Wiki motiviation" of players in these places)...
 
:: Here is what I did...
 
:: [[Main_Page/zh]]
 
:: [[Template:Main_Page_Layout_for_zh]]
 
:: [[Template:Main_Page_Layout_for_zh/Language_Box_for_zh]]
 
:: Now the only thing is {{Tl|if lang}} doesn't support the zh-tw, zh-hk, zh-mo... , but it's not a big problem. The support could be added later when someone starts to translate the Wiki to zh-tw etc.
 
:: And... With the current business being done, I'll start working on translations (and maybe add some new things) in June... Don't know whether the others will do...
 
:: And, have a nice day:) --[[User:Cesrate|Cesrate]] ([[User talk:Cesrate|talk]]) 09:08, 15 May 2013 (CDT)
 
:::Wow be only 6 hrs away and thousand of new pages are now there ;) Okay maybe not thousands. I have some questions:
 
:::*{{Tl|Main Page Layout/Language Box for zh}} can be deleted?
 
:::*{{Tl|Main Page Layout for zh}}: What exactly makes this different from {{Tl|Main Page Layout}}? It looks like the only difference is, that your template uses {{Tl|Main Page Layout for zh/Language Box for zh}}? Now why don't use {{Tl|Main Page Layout/Language Box}} with all Chinese languages?
 
:::Now there already exists [[Mk1 Cockpit/zh]]. In what Chinese language is this now written? And how does the Chinese Wikipedia handle this? It looks like there is only a <tt>zh</tt> Wikipedia. Maybe (to make it not so crowded here) it is applicable to this wiki? — [[User:XZise|xZise]] <small>&#91;[[User talk:XZise|talk]]&#93;</small> 10:54, 15 May 2013 (CDT)
 
:::: Just to make other languages' language box not crowd:) I think as the Language Box shows the major languages, it would be better for the branches to be shown in a sub-box. Although I should keep it sync to the Main_Page_Lay_Out... It's not difficult as well. Is there a better way to achieve this? As I don't know much about codes in Wiki, this method is what I could come up with…
 
:::: As for the Mk1 Cockpit/zh, it's a translation test by a member here. It's of little use now and after I move it to zh-cn you're free to delete it.
 
:::: As I have started it, I will maintain it, until it's proved really of no use… And it will be good if we can modify the language name shown in Language Box, is that possible?
 
:::: And I hope the sub-language box could come into use… Depending on if there's an encyclopediaholic in that places:) --[[User:Cesrate|Cesrate]] ([[User talk:Cesrate|talk]]) 18:58, 15 May 2013 (CDT)
 
:::: The Mk1Cockpit/zh is really of no use… It's just a test + stub… Free to delete… --[[User:Cesrate|Cesrate]] ([[User talk:Cesrate|talk]]) 19:03, 15 May 2013 (CDT)
 
:::::Okay I moved (and not deleted) [[Mk1 Cockpit/zh-cn]]. [[User:N3X15]] already deleted your “failed template” and I added zh-cn to the language box on the left. Did I use the correct text? And I'm looking to the two main page templates. Maybe there could be something simplified. — [[User:XZise|xZise]] <small>&#91;[[User talk:XZise|talk]]&#93;</small> 17:15, 17 May 2013 (CDT)
 
  
== About {{Tl|if lang}} ==
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:You are probably right that vandalism is a better term. And yes spam (as in link spam) is very rare (<< 1 per week), by those who create an account and publish a page with some ad stuff. But also other vandalism isn't really an issue (the one I linked above is really an exception). Maybe we should change the terminology from spam to vandalism as afaik most of the stuff related to spam is actually more related to the general vandalism. — [[User:XZise|xZise]] <small>&#91;[[User talk:XZise|talk]]&#93;</small> 20:24, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
  
{{Tl|if lang}} seems to work well in normal pages, but in Categories (like [[:Category:Celestials/ru]]) the {{Tl|if lang}} in templates (like {{Tl|Celestial Bodies}} ) doesn't work. Are there ways to fix this without building a new template?
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::Agreed. Lets move the policy pages to distinguish between vandalism and spam. --[[User:Deepspacecreeper|Deepspacecreeper]] ([[User talk:Deepspacecreeper|talk]]) 23:11, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
[[User:Cesrate|Cesrate]] ([[User talk:Cesrate|talk]]) 22:24, 15 May 2013 (CDT)
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::And should we delete the "spam" templates? cause i just want to include link spamming as a type of vandalism. ''we only need "anti-vandalism". no "anti-spam, "anti-abuse", at least at the mean time.'' --[[User:Deepspacecreeper|Deepspacecreeper]] ([[User talk:Deepspacecreeper|talk]]) 00:09, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
:Hmmm, okay I maybe have a solution. Now the problem is that in the category namespace it don't know subpages. When you have [[Kerbin/ru]] it shows you a link to [[Kerbin]] directly below the articlename. Now in categories it don't work. All language temples like <nowiki>{{if lang}}</nowiki> and {{Tl|lang}} depend on this. — [[User:XZise|xZise]] <small>&#91;[[User talk:XZise|talk]]&#93;</small> 13:29, 16 May 2013 (CDT)
 
  
==  {{Tl|lang}} support for zh-cn? ==
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BTW sorry for using your list at my page. i forgot to edit it to my name when i copied it over --[[User:Deepspacecreeper|Deepspacecreeper]] ([[User talk:Deepspacecreeper|talk]]) 20:55, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
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:Not a problem ;) The worst that could happen was the empty 2013 row. — [[User:XZise|xZise]] <small>&#91;[[User talk:XZise|talk]]&#93;</small> 17:01, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
  
Sorry to disturb, but {{Tl|lang}} seems not work with zh-cn.
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== User style ==
The example's here. {{Tl|Radial Size}}. If there's no mistake, the {{Tl|lang}} doesn't support zh-cn.
 
Thanks very much for the supports  [[User:Cesrate|Cesrate]] ([[User talk:Cesrate|talk]]) 07:30, 17 May 2013 (CDT)
 
  
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Hi, I'm wondering if it would be possible to get MediaWiki's "user style" enabled on the server?  I'm basically looking for the following to be enabled through [[mw:Manual:LocalSettings.php|LocalSettings.php]]:
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[[mw:Manual:$wgAllowUserJs|$wgAllowUserJs]]  = true;
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[[mw:Manual:$wgAllowUserCss|$wgAllowUserCss]]  = true;
  
Oh, thanks. The layout isn't a problem as I'm in charge of its maintenance unless it affects the wiki's efficiency or becomes useless(wiki builder RHZhao sometimes talks in Tranditional Chinese, so I believe zh-tw... page will come into being in future).  
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See [[metawikipedia:Help:User style#Support in MediaWiki]].
  
All in all, thanks very much for the support:) Very kind of you. —[[User:Cesrate|Cesrate]] ([[User talk:Cesrate|talk]]) 18:42, 17 May 2013 (CDT)
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It allows individual users to add their own personal JS & CSS which is served only to them, and no other user.  It is extremely useful for both users and admins to enable very low risk and non disruptive testing of stuff without hitting the global MW JS & CSS.
  
== What is "Rotational/Inertial transition" in Reference Frame table? ==
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For now, I'm having to override the site's content using developer tools on my end (I have tools that let me forcibly add, edit, and remove content from sites that I visit, but it would be preferable to use MW's own built in functionality).
  
Hi, the wiki's going well now, but we have a problem that couldn't be made clear by ourselves.As the title shows, what is "Rotational/Inertial transition"?
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Thanks.
We're not sure how to deal with it except guesses, so could you offer some detailed information about this?Thanks a lot. ——[[User:Cesrate|Cesrate]] ([[User talk:Cesrate|talk]]) 06:49, 21 May 2013 (CDT)
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--[[User:Murph|Murph]] ([[User talk:Murph|talk]]) 13:58, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
:I have no idea. It is one of the mysteries which I couldn't solve yet. I created a [[Template_talk:ReferenceFrames#Meaning_of_.E2.80.9CRotational.2FInertial_transition.E2.80.9D|new topic]] in the template talk. — [[User:XZise|xZise]] <small>&#91;[[User talk:XZise|talk]]&#93;</small> 10:17, 21 May 2013 (CDT)
 
  
::Maybe I should ask Forum… ——[[User:Cesrate|Cesrate]] ([[User talk:Cesrate|talk]]) 15:24, 21 May 2013 (CDT)
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:Well I don't have access to the LocalSettings.php but I can forward that and maybe someone will enable that. — [[User:XZise|xZise]] <small>&#91;[[User talk:XZise|talk]]&#93;</small> 20:38, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
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:Oh and btw ''Help:User style'' was deleted 2007! — [[User:XZise|xZise]] <small>&#91;[[User talk:XZise|talk]]&#93;</small> 20:40, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
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:Also do you need JS? Otherwise I'd for now only suggest to change CSS before someone breaks something with JS. — [[User:XZise|xZise]] <small>&#91;[[User talk:XZise|talk]]&#93;</small> 20:44, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
  
::Oh, I think I got the answer, it's really the change from rotational reference frame to interial reference frame. The rotational frame follows the planets' rotation, making it easier to describe the ship's motion when it's close to planet——[[User:Cesrate|Cesrate]] ([[User talk:Cesrate|talk]]) 15:32, 21 May 2013 (CDT)
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:: Thanks.  I didn't think you had that type of access, but figured you were the right person to ask.   I got the wrong interwiki prefix for ''Help:User style'', used mw instead of metawikipedia, as they have altogether far too many similar sites for that stuffI changed the link above, it should work now.
:::So is it the height when the speed indicator changes from Surface to Orbital speed? That's strange, after all it seems to be 100,000 m for just about everything except Dres. I'll try checking that tomorrow. --[[User:Dgelessus|Dgelessus]] ([[User talk:Dgelessus|talk]]) 15:51, 21 May 2013 (CDT)
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:: CSS is really the main thing, to play around with styles for testing, without any risk to the global production CSS.  It also has the side benefit of helping Squad claim conformance to any disability legislation, as it's one of the ways to address those issues (people can overlay a style that helps for accessibility, if they need to).  JS, well I figured it couldn't hurt to have that as well, but it's less of a need. Both are served only to the user who owns the page they are on, so any breakage is limited to the individual.  Wikipedia allow user JS ([[w:Wikipedia:User scripts]]), I don't think it's all that unusual for it to be enabled, just off by default. The global CSS & JS pages in the MediaWiki namespace would still be fully admin-only protected, as they should be. --[[User:Murph|Murph]] ([[User talk:Murph|talk]]) 21:15, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
::::I don't think so that is when it changes between Surface/Orbital speed. In [https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=7xXh5pwvY20#t=452s Scott Manley's video] it changes way before the Ap is above 100 km. But to be honest I don't understand Cesrate's explanation. Is it simply an internal programming thing, that it is either relative to Kerbin (rotational frame) or relative to Kerbol (inertial frame)? — [[User:XZise|xZise]] <small>&#91;[[User talk:XZise|talk]]&#93;</small> 17:15, 21 May 2013 (CDT)
 
:::::It's for when the engine switches your craft between reference frames (for calculating the motion), rather than the surface/orbital figures on the navball. There was a time when it varied a great deal between Kerbin (70 km), Mun (5 km), etc. [[User:UmbralRaptor|UmbralRaptor]] ([[User talk:UmbralRaptor|talk]]) 11:59, 26 May 2013 (CDT)
 
  
== Thanks for cleaning up the new parts! ==
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::: Just a quick followup.  I've uploaded [[User:Murph/common.js]] to show the sort of things that user JS is handy for.  That's a snapshot of the real file that I'm already using for KSP Wiki, auto injected into each page as it is loaded by a little browser extension I threw together quickly.  It just lets me customise the MW UI in ways I find convenient, plus experiment with interesting dynamic content stuff.  I'm providing that as a practical answer to "why is it useful?", in case that question is asked by the server admin.  Although I've now got a full alternative solution to enabling it on the site, I'd still like it to be enabled on the server, for a cleaner solution and so that others might benefit from it (it will be a long while, possibly never, before my hacky little browser extension ever sees public light).  --[[User:Murph|Murph]] ([[User talk:Murph|talk]]) 09:43, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
  
I put in the new parts from version 0.20, but I was kind of sloppy. Then I noticed someone was cleaning up after me! Thanks very much. Keep up the good work!
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== CSS change request ==
[[User:Dudecon|Dudecon]] ([[User talk:Dudecon|talk]]) 15:57, 23 May 2013 (CDT)
 
  
== About ''Carrier'' ==
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:''Moved to [[MediaWiki talk:Common.css#Change request 2 June 2015]] 13:03, 11 June 2015 (UTC)''
may as well delete it now, 'till i get more info. <small>— Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Geoform|Geoform]] ([[User talk:Geoform|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Geoform|contribs]])</small>
 
:Hello Geoform. Maybe you have seen the discussion on your [[User talk:Geoform#Carrier article|talk page]]? And you can test your pages in your userspace (e.g. [[User:Geoform/Carrier]]) and when you have a decent page, ask an admin (aka [[Help:User_rights|Sysop]]) to move article. — [[User:XZise|xZise]] <small>&#91;[[User talk:XZise|talk]]&#93;</small> 09:16, 25 May 2013 (CDT)
 
:Okay I [http://wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.com/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=move&user=&page=Carrier&year=&month=-1&tagfilter= moved] the article, so you can start enhancing it. — [[User:XZise|xZise]] <small>&#91;[[User talk:XZise|talk]]&#93;</small> 09:18, 25 May 2013 (CDT)
 
  
== Answer ==
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== Automatic part categorisation? ==
  
Yep. I'm going to fix it. [[User:Gusta|Gusta]] ([[User talk:Gusta|talk]]) 07:58, 28 May 2013 (CDT)
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:''Moved to [[Template talk:Infobox/Part#Automatic part categorisation?]] 19:49, 7 June 2015 (UTC)''
:Thank you very much :) — [[User:XZise|xZise]] <small>&#91;[[User talk:XZise|talk]]&#93;</small> 10:21, 28 May 2013 (CDT)
 
  
== Template Editing ==
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== MW job queue may be broken ==
  
Sorry for errors! I was just adding the missing characters but you acted quicker then me. Sorry for messing it up and thanks for fixing it. Good day! --[[User:Miracmert|Miracmert]] ([[User talk:Miracmert|talk]]) 19:46, 29 May 2013 (CDT)
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Not 100% certain, but I think the MW [[mw:Manual:Job queue|job queue]] may be broken.  I have added [[Kerbal Space Program Wiki:Migration problems#Job queue]]. --[[User:Murph|Murph]] ([[User talk:Murph|talk]]) 18:25, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
:Not a problem ;) I'm also not perfect and uploaded many buggy versions of any template I edited. [[User:XZise|xZise]] <small>&#91;[[User talk:XZise|talk]]&#93;</small> 03:22, 30 May 2013 (CDT)
 
  
== Questions set ==
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== Login glitch ==
  
Good day, here are some questions coming out during these days.  
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I've logged in twice over the last day (on different devices) and both times I needed two attempts. The first time there's a spurious error about cookies being disabled. On the desktop I thought this was related to NoScript being on (disabling JavaScript - I thought it might have affected the site's ability to leave cookies), and allowing scripts did fix it. But that doesn't account for the error on Mobile Firefox, where merely re-entering my password and pressing the login button again did the trick. [[User:Hairy Dude|Hairy Dude]] ([[User talk:Hairy Dude|talk]]) 12:26, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
  
*The languages sidebar, shows zh-cn as "中国大陆", technically it's not a name of language. Could you change it to "中文(中国大陆)" like this Wiki default?
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== Update template at [[Special:Upload]] ==
  
*In [[Terminology]], there's "Mathematic & Geometric", but isn't geometric a part of mathematics?
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Hi xZise, I created a {{Tlx|Copyright by Squad}} (and {{Tlx|Copyright by Squad|screenshot}}) template for use with game images. Under the upload page's "Licensing" drop down menu, you will see an option to edit it (I have my own testing wiki and I know that is for sysops only). Could you please help me add that in so people will actually use it? and by the way should I add the template to existing images? Thanks! --[[User:Deepspacecreeper|Deepspacecreeper]] ([[User talk:Deepspacecreeper|talk]]) 04:29, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
  
*Could I mark every page I meet that is somewhat unfinished or needs update with {{Tl|Stub}} or {{Tl|Outdated}}?
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: I'll see what I can do. If there is an easy way to get all images which should have that note I might be able to automatize it. — [[User:XZise|xZise]] <small>&#91;[[User talk:XZise|talk]]&#93;</small> 09:14, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
  
*Are users allowed to make their own user pages be used for some... "Off-topic" stuffs? If the data usage isn't big?  
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We have terminology page in Turkish. But I created the title in Turkish (Sözlük) so language bar doesn't work for it. Can you move the page to "Terminology/tr" please?
  
Thanks. ——[[User:Cesrate|Cesrate]] ([[User talk:Cesrate|talk]]) 04:36, 30 May 2013 (CDT)
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== Concerns about the Parts page's slow load speed ==
  
:Hi Cesrate, I can already answer some questions. <br>Unfinished or outdated pages can of course be marked with {{tl|Stub}} or {{tl|Outdated}} respectively, that's the puropse of those templates. The marked pages are then automatically added to [[:Category:Stubs]] or [[:Category:Update Requests]] respectively, so people can check these categories and see where they can help. <br>Regarding the user pages, you can do with these what you want, as long as it's not completely unrelated to KSP. As far as I can tell their main purposes are either personal projects or testing. <br>One thing about geometry and mathematics, I think they are both named just to make things clearer. You are right though, geometry is part of mathematics. <br>--[[User:Dgelessus|dgelessus]] <sup>([[User talk:Dgelessus|talk]], [[Special:Contributions/Dgelessus|contribs]])</sup> 05:39, 30 May 2013 (CDT)
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I've ran some tests on the loading speed and behavior of the [[Parts]] article (related to a side project that I'd been brainstorming, which isn't relevant right now), because it occurred to me that there's no reason that a page consisting of not much other than data tables and tiny 60px thumbnails should be taking any decent browser or server very long to load. Granted, the Parts article is a long page with a lot of text and individual images, but it's nothing compared to a lot of other websites which have no noticeable load time. And based off what I found, it really seems to me like the slow loading is because of something more serious than just the length of the article, so I want to share the results and confirm that I understand a few things about the wiki software.
::Good. The purpose of Q3 and Q4 is that... I don't know what others would think if I constantly create too much changes and personal stuffs in [[Special:RecentChanges]];) ——[[User:Cesrate|Cesrate]] ([[User talk:Cesrate|talk]]) 05:49, 30 May 2013 (CDT)
 
:Q1 → will be changed soon.
 
:Q2 → yep it isn't the best choice, but you are free to update it. If somebody has a problem with your suggestion discuss it on [[Talk:Terminology]].
 
:Q3 → As dglesseus said: That is the purpose. You don't have to ask an admin for clearance to use them.
 
:Q4 → Depends on the topic: I'm not making the rules, but as long as it has something to do with KSP it should be fine. Those subpages are mostly used to test the syntax. I'm guessing you are talking about [http://wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.com/w/index.php?title=User%3ACesrate&diff=17109&oldid=16927 this]. Now if it is going to be a novel I'm not sure if this is welcomed here.
 
:Oh and by the way: It is easier to see to who you are answering, when you indent your answer with colons. — [[User:XZise|xZise]] <small>&#91;[[User talk:XZise|talk]]&#93;</small> 11:55, 30 May 2013 (CDT)
 
  
:Oh, it's just a test subject of ''branched story'' on wiki, inspired by wiki games. Once completed I may post the link to KSP Forum Fan-work zone. ——[[User:Cesrate|Cesrate]] ([[User talk:Cesrate|talk]]) 18:31, 30 May 2013 (CDT)
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I recorded a network activity graph in Google Chrome while reloading the Parts page with my local browser cache disabled and noticed some interesting things: first off, there's an abnormally large ~600ms delay during the initial HTML document request (an ideal expected delay might be around 200ms). That delay is already obvious to anyone who views the page without the need to do any fancy recording, because nothing gets displayed client-side until it finishes. But what's important about the recording is that it clearly indicates that there's a problem server-side, because the 600ms wait is the period in between the browser request and the first byte received, not the download duration. Note that I actually measured a 680ms delay, but 80ms of that is my network latency (ping) to the wiki server, which I measured separately and subtracted.
  
== Translating Templates ==
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Now, this is speculation: based off what I'm reading about the MediaWiki job queue, which is still broken according to the migration problems notification, one of the main things that the queue is responsible for is to cache the HTML for each wiki page. This could account for the somewhat long initial HTML loading delay, because part of the nature of the Parts article is that it compiles its HTML from literally dozens of other template pages, all of which might also be improperly cached. Note that the oddly long HTML load time does apply to pages other than [[Parts]].
  
Hi again! I'm trying to translate some templates on my free times and started that with [[Template:Stub]]. I hope nothing's wrong with that for you. Also I have a question that when I edit a template I can't see the new added language on the language bar at left however it works perfectly when I use the template on that pages of that language. (Btw, you should delete some of the previous questions for your eyes health lol.) --[[User:Miracmert|Miracmert]] ([[User talk:Miracmert|talk]]) 13:27, 30 May 2013 (CDT)
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Second anomaly, and this seems more likely to be serious: after the initial HTML loading delay, there is an ''enormous'' ~5000ms time span during which all of the part thumbnails get downloaded from the server one at a time. This is only noticeable without the network analysis if you scroll halfway down the page or abort loading the page shortly after the base document appears. But the reason I find it concerning is because those thumbnails only total up to about 1500KB. Again, to emphasize, from what I can tell, '''it is taking several seconds to transfer just 1500KB worth of images'''.
:When you use {{Tl|lang}}, like you did with {{Tl|Stub}}, then the other language don't appear on the sidebar. Only if there is a page like [[Kerbol/tr]] all pages beginning with [[Kerbol]] (like [[Kerbol/de]] etc.) should the Turkish translation available. Now for templates there are rarely translated templates. And in most cases only the code is different but the template description isn't. If you want to test the translation, you can create a subpage in your userspace (like [[User:XZise/test/de]]). About translating <nowiki>{{Stub}}</nowiki> it should be okay ;) — [[User:XZise|xZise]] <small>&#91;[[User talk:XZise|talk]]&#93;</small> 14:49, 30 May 2013 (CDT)
 
  
::Oh, Hello and BTW you(?) made a little mistake on PlanetBox - Atmospheric Characteristics, causing the zh-cn title followed by code "tr" and tr title failed. I've fixed this. ——[[User:Cesrate|Cesrate]] ([[User talk:Cesrate|talk]])
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I tried running the same test on the image-heavy Wikipedia page [[wiki:Gallery_of_sovereign_state_flags]] for comparison, and there's a really obvious difference in behavior between the two. Here's the thing: most internet browsers can only have 6 TCP connections open at a time, which usually doesn't affect download performance. The Wikipedia page handles it the correct way. The browser starts off by putting the requests in a queue, spends some time on proxy negotiation with the server (which I won't pretend to understand), and then '''sends all of the file requests at the same time''' through just one TCP connection. There's a short wait for a response due to network latency, but then every image is downloaded in quick succession, and the whole process is completed within a second.
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But for some reason, when a browser loads a page from this wiki, it has to request and download the images individually. It opens the maximum possible 6 TCP connections and sends one file request through each connection, waits for the response from the server, which takes a certain amount of time because of network latency (in my case 80ms), and '''doesn't send out a request for the next image in the queue until after the previous download finishes'''. This means that downloading multiple images from the wiki is limited by the user's ping (divided by six). There's one other major difference in behavior I noticed: Wikipedia sends one cookie along with each image, but for some reason this wiki also sends the same set of 10 cookies that it had already sent with the HTML; a separate copy with every image.
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I needed to bring this up and make sure I wasn't jumping to conclusions too quickly, and you're listed on the migration problems page to be contacted about potential problems. I'm positive the network test results are accurate at the very least; I have a stable Internet connection and I got similar results when I tried using a third-party site, but I could be mistaken about other things: I've been assuming that both the HTML and image loading speeds are abnormal for this site and I might be completely overestimating the speed of the server. But what I'm fairly sure about is that the images are being transferred really inefficiently, or at least irregularly, during page loads, and it really does seem like pages on the wiki are taking longer to load then they should reasonably be expected to. So I'm inclined to believe there's still some problem with the file namespace or that there's another migration or configuration issue that hasn't been noticed yet. If you want, you can use the Ctrl-Shift-J Developer menu in Chrome or a third-party site to run the same tests and look at the details yourself.
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'''TL;DR:''' Ran some tests: it takes 0.6 seconds for the server to load the Parts page (just the plaintext HTML document), and it takes several seconds to download just 1500KB worth of thumbnails because the browser pings the server in between each image download for some reason. --[[User:VariousMetals|VariousMetals]] ([[User talk:VariousMetals|talk]]) 21:54, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
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== Could you delete my account? ==
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Hello! I would like to delete my account on this wiki. Thanks in advance.
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== I can't upload images ==
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I am trying to upload map images of all the bodies; Biome Maps, Elevation Maps, Satellite Maps & Slopes Maps, at 4096x2048px resolution but I am receiving an error when trying to do so.
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Upload error
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Could not read or write file "mwstore://local-backend/local-public/0/0f/Moho_Biome_Map_1.2.png" due to insufficient permissions or missing directories/containers.
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Could not store file "/tmp/php4ejY2x" at "mwstore://local-backend/local-public/0/0f/Moho_Biome_Map_1.2.png".
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Am I not allowed to do this or is it not working properly? Could you please help?
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:This is because of the migration problems. There is a notice box at the top of the upload page. --[[User:ArnePeirs|Olympic1]] ([[User talk:ArnePeirs|talk]]) 16:39, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
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:{{Box|type=error|At the moment it's not possible to upload any file. See also: [[Project:Migration problems|Migration problems]]}}
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:ArnePiers seems to be having no issues: https://wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.com/wiki/File:Mk2_InlineCockpit.png --[[User:Poodmund|Poodmund]] ([[User talk:Poodmund|talk]]) 19:39, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

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Can you move a page please?

We have a terminology page in Turkish but I opened it with a Turkish title as Sözlük and we can't use the language box on the left so can you please move the page to "Terminology/tr" ? --Meqatron (talk) 05:50, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

planed features changes

both the massive parts and the astaroids are confermed by harvisteR in that streem, he says that astaroids will be in the main game, but other things that include the nasa pack will be separate, i will post a better link to the stream in a second. i actually took the geysers from a post on gas planet 2. also look at today's dev note it confirms everything — Preceding unsigned comment added by Krona (talkcontribs) 03:15, 19 February 2014‎ (UTC)

Interwiki table - KSP-fr wiki

Hi xZise,
Can you add a new row in the interwiki table ?

Prefix
kspfrw
URL
http://wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.fr/index.php/$1

Thank you in advance,
Mowaw[talk], October 15, 2014 (14:23)

Response

Still learning wikitext. I hope this is an appropriate way to respond to your comments.

I just discovered another way to do it that involves anchors and tables, and, once implemented, should clean up the table of contents by a huge amount. Thanks for the push-back against the huge list, as I was just going to leave it as is, but your comments have motivated me to learn a little more about wikitext in order to clean it up (which I really wanted to do from the get-go, I just didn't know how). Look forward to seeing changes slowly and steadily whittle that TOC down!

Page combinations

As you can see, I am in the process of cleaning it up. I'd also like to have the original page that I created [Configuration File Details] deleted, but I'm not sure how to do that. As to a quick and dirty edit, well, you have it quite correct there. I discovered (re-discovered?) the link that is on the main page, and rather than learn how to do redirects or disambiguations or whatever, I appended mine to his. I'm in the process of cleaning it all up (70k can take awhile!), but I'm sure that if you've been keeping an eye open, you've already seen some of the massive improvements over what was there before, especially in the Table of Contents!

Infobox nextToIcon

Hi xZise, Your modifications on Infobox template are good, but there's a problem when a subtitle is present (eg 0.90). &#151; Mowaw (talk) - 18:46, 12 January 2015 UTC +1

Objectivity response

Hi xZise

Thanks for the valuable feed back

Check out what I said in Category:Found lying by the side of the road/de!

--Kwman (talk) 17:35, 10 February 2015 (CST)

One problem is using the I perspective. When you think something state it vaguely or similar but don't say “I don't know it” because it's hard to determine who “I” is then. And using a username isn't that good either and that should be discussed then on the talk page (that you think it's so).
Now the other problem is … it's not in German ;) — xZise [talk] 17:50, 10 February 2015 (CST)

Hi again

Heres the PROPER LINK! (User:talk)

No it's "User talk:<username>" like the name of this page. You can sign your posts automatically by writing --~~~~ or by clicking on the pen in bar above. It will then link to your actual talk page (remember I contacted you there so there should be something): User talk:KWman. — xZise [talk] 05:15, 13 February 2015 (CST)

New Demo?

The differences between the demo and the paid version become so great, that is easier to make a separate "tutorial:how to make a rocket (demo)" than break the main page with perpetual notes about demo. Do you know anything about any new demo version arrival? NWM (talk) 04:33, 25 March 2015 (CDT)

What do you mean with main page? On Main Page I can't see any link, but if I should move something tell me and I'll take a look. And nope I don't know when/if a new demo arrives, although I'd expect one only after the release of 1.0, maybe with it. — xZise [talk] 12:34, 25 March 2015 (CDT)
Sry I'd meant main article - the tutor for the full version. It seems making a separate tutorial for the demo is more reasonable if the difference remains with the old tutorial... NWM (talk) 03:59, 26 March 2015 (CDT)
Ah! Well depends on the amount of duplication. Is the tutorial already here on the wiki so I can take a look? — xZise [talk] 09:15, 27 March 2015 (CDT)
It is just half ready, and in Hungarian only. It is the "LES tutorial". I build it as a step by step tutor with many pictures. Building LES - teaches the editor, the tanker - propulsion, SAS,RCS, docking, electric system etc., the lander 1 - legs, parachutes, ladders, lander 2 - science, fuel pipes, struts. And a fast sample for interplanetary stage, and a short lesson about the launch vehicles. Maybe, I'll start to translate the first sequences before it is finished totally. The demo is more simple: a simple mun attacker rocket would be enough... NWM (talk) 18:53, 27 March 2015 (CDT)
I've downloaded the new demo. It is even more disappointing then the 1.0 full game. Having landing legs without any short engine - what the holy sh*t! (BUT at least there is such an almost totally useless part like the RT-5 "Flea" SRB!) Has anyone tried it? It is a real torture to build a Mun-mission even for an experienced player!
The tutorial's first section is translated to English, although, needs grammar correction, and some enhancements... NWM (talk) 14:59, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

building upgrades

Just so you know I directly quoted the game when I made those additions. I dont have an issue with your changes. Just be aware that those are not my words. Benargee (talk) 18:58, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

I don't blame you (or have a grudge against you) but there are no size restrictions so we don't need to abbreviate words. And then I'm a big opponent of this Upper Case Every Word. — xZise [talk] 20:16, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

thumbnails

Sry, but: The thumbnails are breaking since the server migration. Will this problem solved in the foreseeable future, or the pages have to be reedited? -NWM (talk) 19:28, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

That is out of my hand. I contacted Squad but they'll working on it no sooner than Monday (working hours of Mexiko). And there is also other stuff broken (like uploading images). I use User talk:ALeXmOrA to list everything which must be done and can't be done without access to the server (which I don't have). — xZise [talk] 20:14, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
Please inform us when the wiki engine works properly again by leaving an message in the "Wiki News" for example. I do not want to try upload the pictures (dozens, of new parts...) every day, again and again...
Thanks - NWM (talk) 12:44, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
I've added a note at the top so if that is gone you know it should work. Although I don't understand why you try to upload dozens of images. Just one image once a day should be often enough to determine if it works. — xZise [talk] 12:10, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Spam warning templates

Hey xZise, i created two new templates for warning spammers, and i don't know if it will be useful. I also edited Kerbal Space Program Wiki:Fighting spam. if you think the templates aren't useful, then you can go ahead and delete it. if you think we should keep and use it, please add admin protection after confirming that nothing needs to be changed with the templates. btw if you think that the templates should be substituted (subst:spam2) please tell me. adding to that i created Template:Copyright by Squad for use in images. thanks :)

Deepspacecreeper (talk) 04:01, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Seems like we have the first customer. — xZise [talk] 17:01, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
User talk:Lajoswinkler is that your intended appearance with the signature in pre-tags basically? — xZise [talk] 17:03, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
I just don't know why there is a weird signature appearance (like <code>). and that's exactly not what i want --Deepspacecreeper (talk) 18:25, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

A couple of thoughts from an interested observer (I spotted the various anti-spam stuff in recent changes). Some of the things currently labelled as "spam" are really not spam at all. Not all vandalism is spam, not all obnoxious behaviour (e.g. harassment) is spam. The reason that I am making this point, is that calling something spam when it is not clearly spam can and will lead to conflicts or confusion. For example, if someone is accused of spamming, but their abuse was something quite different, it greatly weakens the message being sent to them, and they might not even properly understand what they did that was wrong. Spam is really only when it's bulk activities, usually involving some form of advertising or spamming external links for "search optimisation". Spam can be as little as a single edit, it doesn't have to be bulk within the limits of this site (e.g. a link spammer might spam 1 link here, and 10,000 across 9,999 other wikis). I'm not certain how Wikipedia choose to label the various forms of abuse, but I suggest copying the use of terminology on the English Wikipedia (and I'm assuming that they don't mis-label like this). I'm about 99% certain they always call it vandalism and not spam, when that's the particular problem. I do strongly support anti-spam, anti-vandalism, anti-abuse, etc. I approve of the concepts and creating warning templates, project pages, etc, despite there not actually being a huge problem on here right now. --Murph (talk) 19:00, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

You are probably right that vandalism is a better term. And yes spam (as in link spam) is very rare (<< 1 per week), by those who create an account and publish a page with some ad stuff. But also other vandalism isn't really an issue (the one I linked above is really an exception). Maybe we should change the terminology from spam to vandalism as afaik most of the stuff related to spam is actually more related to the general vandalism. — xZise [talk] 20:24, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
Agreed. Lets move the policy pages to distinguish between vandalism and spam. --Deepspacecreeper (talk) 23:11, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
And should we delete the "spam" templates? cause i just want to include link spamming as a type of vandalism. we only need "anti-vandalism". no "anti-spam, "anti-abuse", at least at the mean time. --Deepspacecreeper (talk) 00:09, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

BTW sorry for using your list at my page. i forgot to edit it to my name when i copied it over --Deepspacecreeper (talk) 20:55, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Not a problem ;) The worst that could happen was the empty 2013 row. — xZise [talk] 17:01, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

User style

Hi, I'm wondering if it would be possible to get MediaWiki's "user style" enabled on the server? I'm basically looking for the following to be enabled through LocalSettings.php:

$wgAllowUserJs  = true;
$wgAllowUserCss  = true;

See metawikipedia:Help:User style#Support in MediaWiki.

It allows individual users to add their own personal JS & CSS which is served only to them, and no other user. It is extremely useful for both users and admins to enable very low risk and non disruptive testing of stuff without hitting the global MW JS & CSS.

For now, I'm having to override the site's content using developer tools on my end (I have tools that let me forcibly add, edit, and remove content from sites that I visit, but it would be preferable to use MW's own built in functionality).

Thanks. --Murph (talk) 13:58, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Well I don't have access to the LocalSettings.php but I can forward that and maybe someone will enable that. — xZise [talk] 20:38, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
Oh and btw Help:User style was deleted 2007! — xZise [talk] 20:40, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
Also do you need JS? Otherwise I'd for now only suggest to change CSS before someone breaks something with JS. — xZise [talk] 20:44, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. I didn't think you had that type of access, but figured you were the right person to ask. I got the wrong interwiki prefix for Help:User style, used mw instead of metawikipedia, as they have altogether far too many similar sites for that stuff. I changed the link above, it should work now.
CSS is really the main thing, to play around with styles for testing, without any risk to the global production CSS. It also has the side benefit of helping Squad claim conformance to any disability legislation, as it's one of the ways to address those issues (people can overlay a style that helps for accessibility, if they need to). JS, well I figured it couldn't hurt to have that as well, but it's less of a need. Both are served only to the user who owns the page they are on, so any breakage is limited to the individual. Wikipedia allow user JS (w:Wikipedia:User scripts), I don't think it's all that unusual for it to be enabled, just off by default. The global CSS & JS pages in the MediaWiki namespace would still be fully admin-only protected, as they should be. --Murph (talk) 21:15, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
Just a quick followup. I've uploaded User:Murph/common.js to show the sort of things that user JS is handy for. That's a snapshot of the real file that I'm already using for KSP Wiki, auto injected into each page as it is loaded by a little browser extension I threw together quickly. It just lets me customise the MW UI in ways I find convenient, plus experiment with interesting dynamic content stuff. I'm providing that as a practical answer to "why is it useful?", in case that question is asked by the server admin. Although I've now got a full alternative solution to enabling it on the site, I'd still like it to be enabled on the server, for a cleaner solution and so that others might benefit from it (it will be a long while, possibly never, before my hacky little browser extension ever sees public light). --Murph (talk) 09:43, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

CSS change request

Moved to MediaWiki talk:Common.css#Change request 2 June 2015 13:03, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Automatic part categorisation?

Moved to Template talk:Infobox/Part#Automatic part categorisation? 19:49, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

MW job queue may be broken

Not 100% certain, but I think the MW job queue may be broken. I have added Kerbal Space Program Wiki:Migration problems#Job queue. --Murph (talk) 18:25, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

Login glitch

I've logged in twice over the last day (on different devices) and both times I needed two attempts. The first time there's a spurious error about cookies being disabled. On the desktop I thought this was related to NoScript being on (disabling JavaScript - I thought it might have affected the site's ability to leave cookies), and allowing scripts did fix it. But that doesn't account for the error on Mobile Firefox, where merely re-entering my password and pressing the login button again did the trick. Hairy Dude (talk) 12:26, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

Update template at Special:Upload

Hi xZise, I created a {{Copyright by Squad}} (and {{Copyright by Squad|screenshot}}) template for use with game images. Under the upload page's "Licensing" drop down menu, you will see an option to edit it (I have my own testing wiki and I know that is for sysops only). Could you please help me add that in so people will actually use it? and by the way should I add the template to existing images? Thanks! --Deepspacecreeper (talk) 04:29, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

I'll see what I can do. If there is an easy way to get all images which should have that note I might be able to automatize it. — xZise [talk] 09:14, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

We have terminology page in Turkish. But I created the title in Turkish (Sözlük) so language bar doesn't work for it. Can you move the page to "Terminology/tr" please?

Concerns about the Parts page's slow load speed

I've ran some tests on the loading speed and behavior of the Parts article (related to a side project that I'd been brainstorming, which isn't relevant right now), because it occurred to me that there's no reason that a page consisting of not much other than data tables and tiny 60px thumbnails should be taking any decent browser or server very long to load. Granted, the Parts article is a long page with a lot of text and individual images, but it's nothing compared to a lot of other websites which have no noticeable load time. And based off what I found, it really seems to me like the slow loading is because of something more serious than just the length of the article, so I want to share the results and confirm that I understand a few things about the wiki software.

I recorded a network activity graph in Google Chrome while reloading the Parts page with my local browser cache disabled and noticed some interesting things: first off, there's an abnormally large ~600ms delay during the initial HTML document request (an ideal expected delay might be around 200ms). That delay is already obvious to anyone who views the page without the need to do any fancy recording, because nothing gets displayed client-side until it finishes. But what's important about the recording is that it clearly indicates that there's a problem server-side, because the 600ms wait is the period in between the browser request and the first byte received, not the download duration. Note that I actually measured a 680ms delay, but 80ms of that is my network latency (ping) to the wiki server, which I measured separately and subtracted.

Now, this is speculation: based off what I'm reading about the MediaWiki job queue, which is still broken according to the migration problems notification, one of the main things that the queue is responsible for is to cache the HTML for each wiki page. This could account for the somewhat long initial HTML loading delay, because part of the nature of the Parts article is that it compiles its HTML from literally dozens of other template pages, all of which might also be improperly cached. Note that the oddly long HTML load time does apply to pages other than Parts.

Second anomaly, and this seems more likely to be serious: after the initial HTML loading delay, there is an enormous ~5000ms time span during which all of the part thumbnails get downloaded from the server one at a time. This is only noticeable without the network analysis if you scroll halfway down the page or abort loading the page shortly after the base document appears. But the reason I find it concerning is because those thumbnails only total up to about 1500KB. Again, to emphasize, from what I can tell, it is taking several seconds to transfer just 1500KB worth of images.

I tried running the same test on the image-heavy Wikipedia page wiki:Gallery_of_sovereign_state_flags for comparison, and there's a really obvious difference in behavior between the two. Here's the thing: most internet browsers can only have 6 TCP connections open at a time, which usually doesn't affect download performance. The Wikipedia page handles it the correct way. The browser starts off by putting the requests in a queue, spends some time on proxy negotiation with the server (which I won't pretend to understand), and then sends all of the file requests at the same time through just one TCP connection. There's a short wait for a response due to network latency, but then every image is downloaded in quick succession, and the whole process is completed within a second.

But for some reason, when a browser loads a page from this wiki, it has to request and download the images individually. It opens the maximum possible 6 TCP connections and sends one file request through each connection, waits for the response from the server, which takes a certain amount of time because of network latency (in my case 80ms), and doesn't send out a request for the next image in the queue until after the previous download finishes. This means that downloading multiple images from the wiki is limited by the user's ping (divided by six). There's one other major difference in behavior I noticed: Wikipedia sends one cookie along with each image, but for some reason this wiki also sends the same set of 10 cookies that it had already sent with the HTML; a separate copy with every image.

I needed to bring this up and make sure I wasn't jumping to conclusions too quickly, and you're listed on the migration problems page to be contacted about potential problems. I'm positive the network test results are accurate at the very least; I have a stable Internet connection and I got similar results when I tried using a third-party site, but I could be mistaken about other things: I've been assuming that both the HTML and image loading speeds are abnormal for this site and I might be completely overestimating the speed of the server. But what I'm fairly sure about is that the images are being transferred really inefficiently, or at least irregularly, during page loads, and it really does seem like pages on the wiki are taking longer to load then they should reasonably be expected to. So I'm inclined to believe there's still some problem with the file namespace or that there's another migration or configuration issue that hasn't been noticed yet. If you want, you can use the Ctrl-Shift-J Developer menu in Chrome or a third-party site to run the same tests and look at the details yourself.

TL;DR: Ran some tests: it takes 0.6 seconds for the server to load the Parts page (just the plaintext HTML document), and it takes several seconds to download just 1500KB worth of thumbnails because the browser pings the server in between each image download for some reason. --VariousMetals (talk) 21:54, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

Could you delete my account?

Hello! I would like to delete my account on this wiki. Thanks in advance.

I can't upload images

I am trying to upload map images of all the bodies; Biome Maps, Elevation Maps, Satellite Maps & Slopes Maps, at 4096x2048px resolution but I am receiving an error when trying to do so.

Upload error Could not read or write file "mwstore://local-backend/local-public/0/0f/Moho_Biome_Map_1.2.png" due to insufficient permissions or missing directories/containers. Could not store file "/tmp/php4ejY2x" at "mwstore://local-backend/local-public/0/0f/Moho_Biome_Map_1.2.png".

Am I not allowed to do this or is it not working properly? Could you please help?

This is because of the migration problems. There is a notice box at the top of the upload page. --Olympic1 (talk) 16:39, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
At the moment it's not possible to upload any file. See also: Migration problems


ArnePiers seems to be having no issues: https://wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.com/wiki/File:Mk2_InlineCockpit.png --Poodmund (talk) 19:39, 9 April 2018 (UTC)